Kidneys - aching pain

[Sonja500]

Hi, I'm hoping someone may be able to help me.

I have a dull aching pain in my lower back area that radiates out to the sides. I'm sure it is my kidneys, as it is the same area I had excrutiating pain in when I did a detox diet 2 years ago. That was the worst pain ever, kept me up all night, and lasted for 4 days! I still don't know what it was, but anyway, now I have it again, but in a much much milder form. The only thing I have changed, is adding the cleansing drink to my morning schedule. I used to drink a big glass of water with half a lemon in it, but just the last 3 days, I changed that to the cleansing drink. Anyone know what this is, and why it is happening. I am Hepatitis C positive.

Thanks, S

[ivana]

Hi Sonja and welcome to the forum

First I have couple of questions for you. When you did detox diet did it include some herbal kidney cleanses ? Sometimes these kinds of things tend to happen with them. Sigh. Have you checked kidneys for stones. Maybe you had some and detox and flushes just push the stones in the duct. Most herbal kidney cleanses have liver herbs like dandelion. Many herbs work on both the liver and kidney together and will cause the gallbladder to contract. If the tissues of the gallbladder have been compromised, this will hurt and continue to hurt until you get enough decent skin food to fix it.

They're not usually all that good for the kidneys either. Stick to fruit juices in the future.

Here's a test you can do to see if it is a stuck stone causing the pain (with your tongue in the shape it's in, I'm no longer convinced that the pain is due to a stone):

Drink a large glass of room-temp water with a rounded teaspoon of Epsom salts if you have them, or take Magnesium Citrate, 500-1,000 mg if you have that. If after about 20 minutes the pain eases, you have a stone stuck somewhere.

If your stools are very pale and clay colored, or bright orange, then you definitely have a stone stuck. But this should have been taken care of by your flushes, unless the stone is calcium, in which case liquid phosfood is the way to go.

If the pain is actually originating in the small intestine then the best thing to do is to drink Fennel Tea. Look for Traditional Medicinals Eater's Digest tea, it has fennel in it and tastes great. Yogi Tea also has a version of a digestive tea with fennel but I forget the name. If the fennel tea helps the pain, then we'll know it's the spasming of the small intestine that's causing it.

If a combination of marshmallow and slippery elm eases the pain, then we'll know it's the compromised tissues aching.

Why did you do the kidney cleanse to begin with?

ivana

[Sonja500]

Hi Ivana,

Thank you very much for your reply.

Well, I didn't do a kidney cleanse, all I did at the time of the last detox was stop all caffeine (I drank at least 4-6 cups a day), and just do the water/juice/whole food thing with no sugar, alcohol etc. The pain was excrutiating. I wonder if it had something to do with caffeine withdrawals and/or the hepatitis C. I didn't know I had it then.

This time I added the cleansing drink as a run up to a liver flush. The Hulda Clark one. Interestingly, on the day of the flush I had no cleansing drink, and by the evening the pain in my kidney was gone.

I had a terrible flush, was very sick, could not release anything with the epsom salts and ended up drinking 3 cups of salt water. That triggered the bowel finally, and I passed close to 200 stones, but I was terribly sick all day, and don't think I will ever do a full flush like that again, that was flush 3. I might try the gentle version.

Anyway, this morning I had the cleansing drink again, and the pain is back. It's mainly on my right hand side, just above/under my pelvis on the back area.

I use cayenne pepper instead of the tincture, could that have an effect?

Sonja

[harmony]

the cleansing drink which recipe are you doing?

If it is the one with Apple Cider Vinegar try switching to the one with Cranberry juice.
The Apple Cider Vinegar is very good for most people but some do not handle it well.

[Sonja500]

I was doing the one with apple cider vinegar. I'll try the cranberry one. Thx.

[ivana]

I think that Shelley mentioned once, but I just can't find that post, that people with some kind of liver disorder shouldn't use lemon, grapefruit etc. also not a lot of pepper or cayenne( in general hop spices).

Hot spices are rather irritating to the liver, which is why black pepper makes us sneeze, but that's because they help the liver cleanse. Lemon and grapefruit hit the liver fast enough to produce a powerful expulsion of bile and force the gallbladder to contract powerfully enough to dislodge stones. So that makes me think that lemon could have something with this pain and/or cayenne. Witch explains why you didn't have the pain on days you didn't take cleansing drink. Could be that pain is not kidney related at all.
Second thing, have you checked for kidney stones, in case this is kidney related?

ivana

[Sonja500]

Hi Ivana,

How do you know if you have kidney stones? When I had the really bad pain a while back, I was checked out for a kidney infection but that came back as negative.

I have always had a big glass of water with half a lemon on rising. So maybe it is the Cayenne in this case...

Maybe last time it was toxic overload on my kidneys?? or a stone like you said.

[Sonja500]

I'm sorry about all the questions here, but...

As I mentioned earlier, I had quite a full on flush the day before yesterday. Anyway, I've just passed my first stool since then (I had a colonic on the day I started fasting), and it is very light tan/almost whitish in colour, and floats. Usually my stool is dark brown and sinks. Does that mean I have a stone stuck? I'm scheduled for a colonic tommorrow morning, will that fix the problem?

Thanks, Sonja

[ivana]

Ok, you can to the doctor and request test for kidney stones. Usually they do ultra sound. Second thing you can to is:

[Sonja500]

Thanks so much Ivana.

I just came back from my colonic, and wow! Not only did the therapist say it was one of the best she'd ever seen, but I felt like I was high afterwards, it was amazing. I feel so much better now, and I think that really fixed it. It probably wasn't a stone stuck, just from fasting as you say, and may have had some liver bile stones in it causing it to float.

Now I don't have tartare, or a calcium/phos imbalance as I've been tested for a lot of that stuff. I will check my urine as you say, and try the pepermint tea. That sounds good.

I like the idea of an enema on the day of a flush. I don't think I could do the full on flush again anyway, just too hard on my system I think.

Thanks again, I really appreciate it.

Sonja