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Dave
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 03, 2005 8:34 pm    Post subject: Seeking advice on acne management regimen Reply with quote

Hi Shelley,

I started trying to address my mild/moderate acne problem through diet last May after an ebook written by a guy called Leo Kiesen's which prescribed a comprehensive program of diet, supplementation, cleansing, etc. I haven't followed the program to the letter but since then I have completed 8 liver flushes and performed quite a bit of bowel cleansing using oxypowder (I've gone through nearly 4 bottles of the latter).

Things have definitely improved but I'm definitely not out of the woods yet. In particular, I still don't feel that I have identified all the causes and effects. I'd like to at least have a regimen that I would be confident could clear me 99% if ahdered to strictly for 1-2 weeks. Right now, there are clearly factors which I have yet to address as even during periods of following my regimen quite strictly, I'm still prone to the odd breakout.

I should mention that my job is reasonably intense - I wouldn't say that I feel particularly stressed out but I wouldn't dismiss the possibility that stress effects are afoot in my system. Also, my sleep patterns are a bit erratic. It tends to take me a while to fall asleep and I often wake up several times during the night. I am looking into relaxation techniques - I've tried yoga and I'm reading up on meditation at the moment.

I'd be grateful for any comments you may have on my current regimen:

On waking: cleansing drink - water, juice of half a lemon, tbsp of apple cider vinegar, tsp of maple syrup, some cayenne pepper powder

10/15 mins later: 2 or 3 pieces of fruit (kiwis, pears, handful of grapes, etc)

20 mins later: weight training (3 times per week), 3 mile run (2 times per week)

After training: protein drink - rice milk, 3 egg yolks, 1 egg white, 1 tbsp cod liver oil, 2 tbsp udo's choice oil blend, 2 tbsp lecithin granules, cinnamon powder; supplements - vit c/b complex, zing 15mg, saw palmetto (ran out recently - not sure of the exact dosage I was taking - it was 2 tablets), 1 cal/mag tablet, 2 primal defense, 2 acidophilus tablets, 1 digestive enzymes tablet, glucosamine/msm/condroitin tablets (latter for joint health)

Morning snack: fruit as above, maybe some nuts

Lunch 1: Steamed chicken (I try to get free range) with salad or steamed vegetables

Lunch 2: as Lunch 1

Evening snack: maybe some fruit and/or nuts

Evening: protein drink and supplements as above

Before bed: cleansing drink as above

That's the basic approach - can't say that I have adhered to it 100%, especially over the Christmas period, but I've followed it reasonably closely for a few months now.

Anyway, I'd be really grateful for any input/suggestions you could provide. I'd also like to thank you for providing such a phenomenal health resource - I've learned so much from reading the material here, on your yahoo group and on curezone.

Thanks in advance.
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pinkcat
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 03, 2005 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can I jump in here really quickly, Dave, while Shelley is out being treated to Birthday goodies today? (Happy Brithday, Shelley!! xx)

I read your note and found ONE thing missing: Colonics.

I know you wrote about cleansing and oxypowder, but, know what? nothing did it for me like good old hydrotherapy.

Try one and see what happens. Of course, more will happen if you go to a good place where the treatment is supplemented with massage or reflexology or energy healing and essential oils and implants AND where they give your treatment plenty of time to happen (at least an hour). All this works even better if pre-colonic you get some body work done, like massage, chiropractic or acupuncture. And if you work up to your appointment by using oxypowder.

Good luck!

pinkcat
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shelley
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 03, 2005 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Dave! It's great to hear from you. Smile

Okay, can you describe your acne *in detail*? Like where is it exactly, what kind (whiteheads, blackheads, angry red or just skin-colored bumps). Are you prone to breakouts on your torso?

A couple things about your protocol that I would alter:

No more oxy-powder or colosan. 1-2 bottles is usually enough, after that you risk imbalances. Switch to a fiber-based cleanser like Colonix and the occasional colonic.

Your after training list is a lot to digest all at once, and the calcium will interfere with stomach acids. So take all calcium supplements prior to bed or when you're not eating. If you've taken the Primal Defense for more than a month, take a break.

Your evening doses... hmmm... I'd back off on the flax oil, no more than 2-3 tablespoons of that a day as it blocks thyroid activity slightly. Best to switch to coconut oil, olive, avocadoes. And do take a break from flax a couple days a week.

And at least one of your meals several days a week should be a fiber meal like Kichadi, or carbs like pasta. You don't want EVERY day to be a high-protein day. So long as you get adequate calories, the protein will do what protein needs to do thanks to the protein-sparing quality of carbs.

If your tongue is clean and free of any coating every morning, then the acne could be hormonal or low stomach acids. If the breakouts are minor, then you may just be seeing the last residues stuck in the pores, in which case a facial would be the best way to go. Extract what's there, keep the pores clean and watch them fade away! Smile
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Dave
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 12:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Okay, can you describe your acne *in detail*? Like where is it exactly, what kind (whiteheads, blackheads, angry red or just skin-colored bumps). Are you prone to breakouts on your torso?

Mainly facial, small amount on my back. Blackheads (lots on my nose), whiteheads and some red ones but not deep/cystic. Most prone in the area around my mouth, particularly on the lines where creases form on smiling. I get minor rashes in 3 spots too - 2 areas on my forehead and one on my neck.

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A couple things about your protocol that I would alter:

No more oxy-powder or colosan. 1-2 bottles is usually enough, after that you risk imbalances. Switch to a fiber-based cleanser like Colonix and the occasional colonic.

Yep, will do - I was planning to give the oxypowder a rest and start on a psyllium-based fibre supplement called lepicol. Was thinking of adding that to the cleansing drink.

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Your after training list is a lot to digest all at once, and the calcium will interfere with stomach acids. So take all calcium supplements prior to bed or when you're not eating. If you've taken the Primal Defense for more than a month, take a break.

OK - I'll lay off the primal defense. Should I drop the acidopilus too?

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Your evening doses... hmmm... I'd back off on the flax oil, no more than 2-3 tablespoons of that a day as it blocks thyroid activity slightly. Best to switch to coconut oil, olive, avocadoes. And do take a break from flax a couple days a week.

OK - only 1 tbsp of udo's choice in the protein drink and limited to 5 days a week from now on. By the way, I take more egg yolks than whites because I read the following at http://www.freeacnebook.com/45-46.htm. I'd be interested in your view.

'Egg yolk is 'the fruit of the egg' - containing most nutrients. Egg white does not contain vitamin A, D, K or E, or cholesterol, which are all contained in the egg yolk. The yolk also contains much more of the iron, zinc, calcium, magnesium and iodide than the egg white. Of all the proteinaceous foods, egg yolk contains the most vitamins and minerals. Do not eat raw egg white, for it contains substances that inhibit the absorption of vitamins: Raw egg white contains substances that inhibit digestion and uptake of vitamins. Egg white is comparable to the human womb; both contain avidin and ovomucoid. Avidin de-activates vitamin B8 (biotin). Ovomucoid inhibits trypsin; an enzyme that decomposes absorbed nutrients.'
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And at least one of your meals several days a week should be a fiber meal like Kichadi, or carbs like pasta. You don't want EVERY day to be a high-protein day. So long as you get adequate calories, the protein will do what protein needs to do thanks to the protein-sparing quality of carbs.

I was a bit concerned about the protein level of my diet alright having read that excess protein is toxic to the body. I was thinking of introducing organic oatmeal porridge as a carb source - any thoughts on that?

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If your tongue is clean and free of any coating every morning, then the acne could be hormonal or low stomach acids. If the breakouts are minor, then you may just be seeing the last residues stuck in the pores, in which case a facial would be the best way to go. Extract what's there, keep the pores clean and watch them fade away!

I'll check my tongue the next few mornings to see what's going on there. Regarding the facial, are you referring to a commercial treatment or is it something I can do myself?

Thanks so much for your help!!

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shelley
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 1:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Mainly facial, small amount on my back. Blackheads (lots on my nose), whiteheads and some red ones but not deep/cystic. Most prone in the area around my mouth, particularly on the lines where creases form on smiling. I get minor rashes in 3 spots too - 2 areas on my forehead and one on my neck.


Oh my, you're all over the place. But the persistent mouth acne is usually hormonal or B vitamin deficiency. The rest is congestion.

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OK - I'll lay off the primal defense. Should I drop the acidopilus too?


No, that should be okay. But you may want to switch to Kefir.

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By the way, I take more egg yolks than whites because I read the following at http://www.freeacnebook.com/45-46.htm. I'd be interested in your view.


I've read up on this like mad and it's true that most of the nutrients in an egg are in the yolk, and the white does have inhibitors, however, the yolk is SO rich in B's that the inhibitors don't matter much. the white, albumin, is an essential protein. I've started using whole raw eggs. I used to seperate them out, but now I really need the albumin. And nature has a way of maintaining balance. We keep thinking we can outsmart nature but it rarely happens. Wink


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I was a bit concerned about the protein level of my diet alright having read that excess protein is toxic to the body. I was thinking of introducing organic oatmeal porridge as a carb source - any thoughts on that?


Oatmeal is a gluten grain. Make sure you're not sensitive to gluten grains before you start eating it. It should be steel-cut oats, preferably soaked overnight before eating. I also highly recommend Lundberg's brown rice cereals as being tri-doshic, and some of Bob's Red Mill hot cereals. They only take 5-10 minutes to fix, just add water, so they're manageable. Quinoa is also highly recommended for its high nutrient content. And fix a Rice Medley every now and again. That's 2-3 kinds of rice cooked in chicken broth and whole cumin seeds sauteed in oil.

Sweet potatoes are also a wonderful source of complex carbs. Great energy, very filling and satisfying. Just boil until soft, serve with butter and cinamon. Coupled with Brown Rice, this is a very nice alkaline meal.
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Dave
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Oh my, you're all over the place. But the persistent mouth acne is usually hormonal or B vitamin deficiency. The rest is congestion.


I'd say B deficiency is unlikely given my b complex supplementation and diet generally? If my acne is hormonal, can it be treated via diet, cleansing, etc?

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Oatmeal is a gluten grain. Make sure you're not sensitive to gluten grains before you start eating it.


Interesting - I haven't really researched the gluten issue properly - I think my current diet is probably quite low in gluten though. Is there any straightforward way of establishing whether I have a gluten intolerance?

Thanks again Shelley.
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shelley
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, good questions. Okay. Cleansing overall and in particular the liver will eventually regulate hormones. You also need to be getting adequate, healthy oils.

You can test any food you like with either kinesiology or by taking your pulse about 30 minutes after you ingest it.

Before you eat the questionable food, take your resting heart rate. Have a bowl of oatmeal or whatever and start noting any symptoms like sleepyness, irritability, brain fog, mucus production like runny nose, coughing. See if your pulse has risen 10% or more. If it does, you have an allergy or intolerance to that food. If your stool from the test meal is softer than usual, you have intolerance. If you have mucus production, you have an allergy.
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Dave
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2005 11:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks - I'll definitely check out my response to a few foods, starting with oatmeal.

Another question occurs to me. Do you have any view on the effect of sunlight deprivation on a condition such as acne? I really don't get much sunlight - I tend to be indoors during the day and especially at this time of the year there's not much sun around anyway. On another forum I read about people using light therapy via light boxes and other devices. It could also account for my sleep problem I suppose which itself could be a cause of acne?

Thanks again for your time Shelley.
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shelley
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2005 11:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sunlight is essential to vital health, it's how we synthesize Vitamin D and sunlight exposure regulates all sorts of hormones. Insomnia can be due to not enough sunlight, as the circadian rhythms do take the rising and setting of the sun into account. It helps to set your rhythm properly by gazing at the sunrize.

Those of us stuck in office jobs and cloudy weather, who don't see more than 10 minutes of real sunlight a day, really should consider getting a full-spectrum light. I had one in my bedroom for years until I redecorated. Have to see about getting another. They are beautiful lights, no yellow tinge.
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