little monkey's liver flush

[little monkey]

Hello everyone!

It's been a while. I thought I'd write and tell you how my 1st liver flush went.

I had a week of eating lightly, with lots of ACV drinks, and 3 weeks of Julia's herbs (I have used her herbs in the past quite a bit but without flushing so I felt I only needed 3 weeks intensive). Also lecithin, coconut oil.

2 days of almost fasting (just a few oatcakes), continued ACV drinks and also did psyllium shakes. An enema yesterday morning.

Then in the evening, last shake at 9pm.
10pm I had 150ml lemon juice, 150ml olive oil and went straight to bed (with hindsight I realise this was probably too much for me as I only weigh 112lb). I got the mixure down fine with a straw, felt fine, felt "interesting" in the liver area. Fancied I felt a mass moving from right to left but might have been imagining that, or might have been the fibre.

Then! 12am I wake feeling really very nauseous (I'm propped up and on my right side or back), manage to sleep a bit more. 2am wake feeling terribly nauseous, really ill. Spend some time in the bathroom because I'm afraid i am going to be sick. Eventually around 2.30 it is SO bad, I let myself be sick, throw up very acidic yellow bile mixed with olive oil/lemon (yum! ). Feel quite a bit better, am able to sleep.

note - i didn't take epsom salts, because I felt that julias herbs would break down stones enough to pass easily. Felt no pain.

Woke 7.30am. Felt OK, delicate though, and still a bit nauseous. Drank 1 litre warm water with 2 tsp sea salt - had BM with no stones, just yesterdays psyllium and food residue. Did warm pure water enema - more of same. 2 TINY green bits, around 4mm and squashy - might have been food residue, congealed olive oil, stones, I don't know. Nothing else of interest!

So now it is 10am, had no breakfast yet as I feel a bit nauseous still, just had another ACV drink and now some tea.

I feel OK - I actually feel that underneath I might be feeling better - but on the surface I don't feel great with the sick feeling and delicate tummy from being sick. Aches are just as usual.

I know a professional colonic would be great now, but I do not have the money for that - I have to make do with my enema kit.

Does anyone have any wise advice for me? Am I going to see stones at all? Is there something else I should be doing Shelley to clean out my intestines, or am I doing ok?

thank you all! L Monkey

[little monkey]

Update:

I had oatmeal porridge with ground flaxseed, a tiny bit of honey and rice milk for breakfast.

2 BMs afterwards, quite liquid. First one had one tiny green blob floating. Second one had 3 larger blobs, around 5mm so still very small, 2 pea green, 1 bright dark green (like that sugared angelica cake decoration if you know what I'm talking about). They were soft and waxy and easily squashed.

Are these stones? Should I be pleased with this? I'm still feeling very rotten, just having some peppermint tea to help with the nausea.

[little monkey]

Well no more BMs today. I'm not sure if I should be worried about getting the stuff OUT of my body quicker and how to do it. Maybe another enema before bed?

I'm feeling worse in many ways - very achy, very tired. My insides feel like they have taken some bashing, I can feel my liver and intestines feeling delicate. But somehow I feel better on a deeper level in spite of all that, it's very hard to describe. Quite subtle but strong - just a feeling of being more naturally myself, less anxious, less at odds with myself. A friend said my eyes looked bright today, and I feel my vision is clearer, calmer somehow. My skin seems to glow a little though that might be wishful thinking. Is it possible to get effects so fast?

So my main concerns are - where are the STONES?!!
And - should I be cleaning out my intestines more, and how should I go about it with no money?

[AgnesT]

Those floaty green things are definitely stones! Sometimes it takes a few flushes before you really get them coming out in great number. Sounds like a great start to me.

Agnes

[little monkey]

Thank you Agnes! Its nice to get encouragement - I haven't told ANYONE about this flush, where I live I would be considered a weirdo, so I don't bother speaking about it!

So to update:

Last night after another small water enema, out came a big 2cm x 1cm stone, same deep bright green, like it's made of hard wax. Hooray!

This morning before breakfast, 4 1cm stones, and about 6 more small ones.

Lots of very pale tan mucous-y stuff came out - I don't know if this is food residue with no bile to turn it brown - or whether it is liver gunk - or actual mucous.
Then after that, normal soft dark coloured BMs. It's a relief to know my bile is flowing OK, that means I don't have stuck stones I think.

I have been eating high fibre vegetarian diet - brown/wild/red rice, steamed veggies, pulse stews, egg, oat cakes. Still taking an ACV drink every morning. No supplements.

So I am happy! Total count 1 big, 4 medium, 10 small/tiny. I will see if anything else comes out.

As far as effects go - my skin is definitely glowing (another person commented so its not just me hoping), eyes defo. clearer, feel better in myself as I said before, and I had a great nights sleep. But still aching as usual - especially the front of my thighs which I interpret as toxicity-related, I get it a lot especially before my period. However now is after my period and I still have it - but again this is normal for me. But the liver flush has not cleared up my aches - has not made them worse. I would say I feel a bit delicate/tired from it, but its only the second day after.

I would very much like to hear if anyone has a comment on my colon flushing - am I doing enough? Am I risking stuck stones in my intestine? What can I do?

many thanks
L Monkey

[AgnesT]

I would consider that a successful flush, as far as what you got out. I know you are supposed to get everything out as fast as you can. A stuck stone usually refers to it being stuck in the bile ducts not in the intestines. The problem with them sitting in the intestines is that the toxins are reabsorbed. The reason people take so much epsom salts in the original recipe (other than the bile duct relaxing effect) is that it gives you liquid poo so you get everything all out pretty quickly. If you don't want to do ES, Shelley says you can do enemas or salt water flushes. You just want to be really aggresive with it until you get it all out. Sounds like you were. DOn't forget to rehydrate!

Agnes

[shelley]

Sounds like you've been doing just fine! Now do reconsider the oat cakes, oatmeal tends to turn into glue in the intestines. I highly recommend hot cereals, yes, but brown rice farina is much easier to digest and oat-based cereals are best left for a change of pace, not regular consumption.

[little monkey]

Hey Shelley great to hear from you!

Ah, yes, those oatcakes. I know they aren't very good for me. It's not a habit generally, but something I got into recently. I'm off sugar, but I really fancy something munchy and these oatcakes are fitting the bill ... better than chocolate at least! & better than overeating dried fruit.

But I need an alternative... I'd eat those salty japanese rice cracker biscuits (love em), like those dark ones with black sesame seeds mmm. But puffed rice is full of acylamide huh? Apples are nice, but really I want something carb-y.

Good news though is I am not having porridge, thats a one-off.

I'm usually a big meat & fish eater, but right now I am strongly desiring a vegetarian diet so I am going with that for a few days until I feel like meat again. I'd forgotten how calming and peaceful a veggie diet can be. + I am eating zero simple sugars from fruit or anything else.

So - the liver flush! I am so happy I did it. No more stones at all, & now feel back to normal, but better. I'm excited to do my 2nd flush next full moon, I really think this might turn out to be quite revolutionary for my health. I think I will try the method with epsom salts next time, to see what its like, and bring it down to 100ml each of oil and lemon so I don't throw up. & I think one day's fasting beforehand is enough.

Well, that's all for now! Thanks for all your help peoples!!

[shelley]

Oh beware of the Epsom Salts. The recommended dose is an OVERdose. No one should take more than a teaspoon. A tablespoon of any salt is just ridiculous.

Porridge is wonderful IF it is a non-gluten grain mix. Bob's Red Mill has a good one. It's very satisfying.

I know what you mean about needing something carb-y, especially something with a bit of crunch. Puffed cereals are bad, but as a rare cheat not as bad as some other things! You could do a lot worse than Japanese rice crackers.

[little monkey]

Ah interesting! I was going to try out Andreas Moritz's flush (I have his book the amazing liver & gallbladder cleanse). Now he recomends 3 doses of 1 1/3 tablespoons of epsoms. That is, a total of 4 tbspns over the liver flush. He keeps on going on about how you MUST follow his directions exactly, and about how the epsoms dilates the bile ducts and flushes the colon top to bottom.

I thought maybe I'd get more stones out using epsoms, & clean my colon better in the absence of a colonic.

But I don't want to get ill from epsoms.

So would you recommend 3 x 1 tsp epsoms dissolved in water instead? (and no sea salt water flush the next morning).

Also, how soon is too soon to flush again!? I had such nice results & feel totally recovered now. Could I do a second flush 2 weeks after my first, or should I wait a bit longer?

Thanks S, have a great weekend!
Monkey

[shelley]

I do not recommend Andreas' flush. Andreas has not studied nutrition much. He read some fringe white papers denouncing the discovery of B vitamins etc. that were actually denounced by the majority of biologists and other medical scientists but he decided to back them wholly, quotes them in his book, plus he says things like "we can make all the protein we need just by breathing." He diagnosis people with his psychic abilities, and believes his psychic diagnosis over standard lab tests (he did this to me). Some of the items in his kidney cure he got from channeling a dead man, Edgar Cayce. Just ask him, he'll tell you right out.

I have nothing against psychics, I've occasionally done that professionally myself. But I would never ever ever presume to diagnose a sick person over the phone without even asking their symptoms, never ever ever presume to tell someone they don't need to see a doctor to verify a psychic reading. And just becuz you can channel doesn't mean the information is good. Usually the entities you channel are just trying to find out if you're stupid enough to believe someone you can't even see.

That much magnesium will throw off the cal/mag ratio and give you the worst hangover you've ever had. It could even stop your heart and send you into a grand mal seizure if you're already calcium deficient.

Stones are simply congealed fat. They can't hurt you. It's best to get all the dreck from a liver flush out of your body as fast as you can, certainly, but there's no real reason for it to get stuck unless your intestines are horribly weak and full of divirticulitis and balloons.

If you've never had constipation issues and your stools are well formed and evacuate easily, then all you need, at most, is 500 mg of magnesium to relax the bile ducts and give you a little extra push. You can drink some laxative tea prior to the flush too. Fennel is very safe.

Keep reading, lots to know!

[little monkey]

Hey Shelley! Wow, words fail me. That is just fascinating. Ironically, it sounds like it is his EGO which is his downfall. Some people who develop or have psychic abilities thinks that makes them better/more spiritually advanced than others. And of course that the information they get is "godly". What complicated things us human beings are!

I remember seeing a highly recommended reflexologist when I had CFS. It was all very nice and relaxing, but I could only go once (I had saved up and could afford just one session). I remember the husband of the reflex. trying to pressurise me afterwards, to get regular sessions, and acupuncture with him. Saying - you can't put a value on getting better - and - getting better is about committment, and you commit by placing the money in your bank account in mine. I just laughed at him!!

Anyway - quick question for you S - I want to flush this Friday. Is that OK, being just 12 days after my first? I recovered completely after 3 days, and my bowels are moving well (v high fibre veggie diet at the moment too). The reason I want to flush again is the results of the first were so nice, that I want to continue the good work and get more results as soon as I can.

[shelley]

Whoops, sorry I didn't get back to you sooner! My general rule is to only flush every two weeks or so. This allows the body to fullyl recover, but also to let the liver shift the remaining stones down to the bottom sections of the liver.

The liver has, in effect, four lobes, and each time you flush, you tend to get stones from just the "outermost" lobe, and then the rest shift down as you take the stone dissolvers and eat fats.

Now if you've already done a lot of flushes and are otherwise healthy and make plenty of bile, it may be worth it to flush more frequently because you may indeed be ready. Up to you. 10 days is a fair compromise.

[little monkey]

Thanks for this Shelley!

Full moon tonight so I will be flushing ... light eating today and no more food after lunchtime ... wish me luck!