what has helped my acne enormously

[chardy]

This NCD stuff interests me because normally Im very very cautious about getting involved with any products sold through MLMs and due to NCDs extreme cost.

I havent seen any studies indicating NCDs effectiveness as a chelator, only anecdotal evidence (not that this isnt valuable until studies are available). Or that metals come out in a certain order with DMSA, something that I believe Andy Cutler would disagree with.

I will, no doubt, try some NCD if I can find it cheaply after I have performed my DMSA + ALA chelation protocol. Though I would hope this protocol is successful enough not to warrant it

[Laney_Rae]

Hi Chardy,
You raise some valid points. I'm not sure what MLMs are so if you could clarify there that would be great. You're right-there aren't many studies indicating NCDs effectiveness as a chelator, but part of the reason for this is that it is a very new chelator, just beginning to spread in popularity. I don't actually think Andy Cutler would disagree with the order metals come out. Mercury IS being pulled at all times, but a large quantity isn't removed until other metals have come out. I'm not sure of the logistics, but I can get back to you about that (my mom has been researching autism for about 10 years and has been on the news, radio, conferences, etc. She is my main source. She also follows Andy Cutler's protocol.) DMSA and ALA are definitely good chelators and they will get the job done, but they unfortunately take a lot longer. NCD does not put as much stress on the body and can continue pulling metals nearly every day, instead of the three day cycle every two weeks most people do with DMSA and ALA. As far as expense goes, I have found NCD to actually end up being cheaper in the long run. One bottle lasts me about a month, so that's only $50 a month. You don't need to do the thirty drops a day they recommend. I worked my way up from two drops a day to twenty, and that is where I am staying. Also, DMSA pulls a lot of minerals that need to be replenished, and all of those add up, but NCD only pulls zinc so that is the only supplement you need to use with it. My advice is to definitely try NCD if you can. After 7ish years of battling acne and a year of chelating with DMSA and ALA, I have found NCD to be much more effective, and the only cure for my acne. Again though, if you have your doubts, DMSA and ALA is still a good way to go, though I found it to be a much more annoying protocol.

[chardy]

Thanks very much for your reply!

By MLM I mean multi-level marketing, basically Waiora, but I now see that more companies offer it. They're a sort of commission based method of marketing and have been associated with very dubious health supplements in the past (coral calcium etc etc).

I am a bit foolish in this respect and just ordered some DMSA (quite expensive) so will use this now and see how I get on, but Im sure trying a couple of bottles of NCD cant hurt! And, as always, appreciate other peoples positive testimonies to its effectiveness. Especially since it seems to be much more of a 'light' chelator, but still with powerful effectiveness. It will be interesting to see if it is capable of crossing the BloodBrainBarrier, and I certainly do look forward to the studies in progress! Thankfully I never had amalgams, so I hope that a few rounds of ALA + DMSA should show some improvement.

I guess also, Im often apprehensive about new 'wonder' supplements, because Im sure we've all been down that road before and found it to be an empty wallet and little else

Now if only I could get some definitive info on okra pepsin E3....

I very much appreciate your thorough and thoughtful responce.
Chardy

[sariewarie]

Hi

What improvement did you see in your acne, where and how fast ?

Thanks

Also wondering if the toxins exit through urine and feces, what happens if you are constipated will this make you ill because the toxins are not exiting fast enough ?

[Laney_Rae]

Hi Chardy,
I understand your concern about the multi-level marketing, but I assure you that I am not a distributor. Part of the reason NCD does marketing in this way is because they want the parents of mercury-poisoned children to be able to buy the NCD at the cheapest possible cost. This is why a lot of people become distributors-they are not actually trying to make a profit from it, they just want the cheapest price. The reason I am posting so specifically about NCD is just because it has made such an impact on my health and the health of other members of my family (My brother is autistic and has seen wonderful results from NCD. He has done DMSA and ALA for two years, just recently started NCD. He gets regular urine tests, and his tests during NCD have shown the greatest amount of mercury being pulled.)

As for DMSA, I definitely can testify that it is effective. Many of my friends and family have used it to chelate and have seen only positive results. My dad's arthritis in his knee went away, my boyfriend's allergy to chocolate subsided as well as his migraines, and my autistic brother has improved dramatically, his headaches, cerebral palsy, hand-eye coordination, verbal abilities, obsessive compulsive behaviors, and many other health issues have all improved hugely. My acne definitely improved while I was on DMSA as well, but has made the greatest improvements from NCD (which also helped my lactose intolerance).

I really do understand your skepticism regarding NCD. I was at first very skeptical as well, but luckily I have a mom who tries just about everything and reports back what works and what doesn't. It almost seems like a miracle juice and I really am still quite amazed by it. I guess the way I see it is that you are on the right path either way. If you prefer to not risk it with NCD and to stick to DMSA and ALA, that is still going to help you to rid your body of heavy metals. I congratulate you for recognizing that your body is hindered by heavy metals and for taking the appropriate steps to cure yourself. (Most people are extremely reluctant to accept that their illnesses could be due to metal poisoning, specifically mercury.) Good luck with finding the answers for your cure!

[chardy]

I must thank you once again for a very informative and careful reply. Those are the sort of explainations and opinions that we all need!

I think from your testimony it seems that using NCD would not be unreasonable. I will see about saving up for some. I too find it disturbing that people dont think heavy metals toxicity to be a problem, considering the way we all live now, the way we cook, the medicines we use and the air we breathe, peoples narrowmindedness often confounds me!

One more question, what do you think of using ALA by itself as a chelator? I know Cutler's protocol suggests this is ok as long as you dont have any recent exposure to mercury (and depending on symptoms), and because I dont have any amalgams my exposure cannot have been as high as some others. I will consider asking the company I bought DMSA from to cancel the order and try some NCD in its place, but I do have an exisiting bottle of ALA that I would use if you thought it beneficial. I have mostly neurological symptoms anyway.

Thank you so much!

[Laney_Rae]

Hi sariewarie,
I used to have acne all over my back, chest, as well as a little on my face. Mostly whiteheads and some cystic acne. Now I have extremely few eruptions on my body (I haven't had any new ones for about a week, and I usually just get 1 or 2 at a time.) My skin is extremely smooth, even the little plugged pores have cleared up. My face has been a little slower in healing-I've read that it's the last part to heal. I've only used two bottles so I am anticipating full healing in the next bottle or two. I saw improvement after about a week, and it just continued to get better and better. Metal chelation is basically the only thing that has improved my acne. I did the candida diet, liver flushes, chinese herbals, antibiotics, retinae, etc. and nothing worked. I was seriously beginning to think I was doomed to have bad acne forever (which was a highly distressing thought because I want to get married soon and did NOT want to be dealing with that!) NCD really did work for me, though I know there are probably several different reasons for acne and therefore several different cures.

If you are constipated, some of the metals will be reabsorbed, but I've never had a severe reaction because of it. Because you take NCD two to three times a day, there are smaller amounts of metals moving through you at all times, rather than a huge amount all at once. Usually I take a mild laxative every few days, plus drink lots of water.

And in response to chardy,
I think using ALA alone is a bit more dangerous, but I'm not sure how much. It just allows for more reabsorption and could possibly give you some nasty side effects. What happens when you chelate with DMSA and ALA is that ALA pulls the metals out of the brain, and DMSA mops them up and transports them out of the body. ALA does a little of this transporting out of the body too but usually leaves some residue. I don't think it would seriously harm you to only use ALA, but I just think there would be more redistribution and could be quite uncomfortable. If you can, I would stick with the DMSA too. Also make sure that the last dose of your three day cycle is just DMSA-this mops up the excess metals left in your body. If you can't afford both, you can always try NCD after you use the DMSA.

I hope this is helpful. Please let me know if you have any other questions.

[chardy]

Well, I have just bought some NCD on your recommendation!

Been on some of the mercury / autism groups on Yahoo and responces are very mixed on the issue, some people see good results, some people dont like it, some with no side effects, others with lots! Guess it just proves that everyone is totally different Hopefully some proper scientific tests will arrive with good methodology to demonstrate its effectiveness. The unknown remains its effect on the blood brain barrier isnt it?

I purchased mine from eBay, cheapest price I found in the UK (good ole, evil ole eBay )

I will try a course of one bottle and report back to see if it has any effect.

I may end up with DMSA too unless I can cancel my order, I'd rather have the £50 for the moment and try it later, as you say the chelation is a bit of a pain, but im confident I can remove things quickly due to lack of obvious mercury toxcitiy.

Fingers crossed

edit: Also something interesting happened yesterday, I got some lovely big bunches of coriander (chilantro to the americans ) at our market and made a HUGE amount of chilantro chutney yesterday and ate it with some tuna and a tasty salad. About half an hour later, I got an incredible headache (the type I seem to be getting a lot of lately) like an intense pressure on certain parts of my head. Had this for the whole day. Woke up this morning feeling quite better mentally, much more alert... Still very dizzy and generally unwell, but this was very surprising as I know most respected chelationists (haha) dont think it works...any connection do you think?!

[Laney_Rae]

I wish you the best of luck!! Remember symptoms often get worse before they get better.

Yikes 50 pounds for your DMSA?? That's almost twice as much in dollars...and I get my DMSA for 40 bucks, although maybe I get a smaller bottle. I get the bottle of 45 capsules.

I don't know much about cilantro but wow that is an interesting story. I'm sure you know that when metals are being pulled out of the brain it can give you a nasty headache. Magnesium and vitamin C supplements help a LOT. Also, just a word of caution-I'm not sure what your tuna is like in the UK but here in the US it has a high mercury content. I wouldn't want you to be putting back in what you are trying to take out. Be careful with any seafood!

[chardy]

Yes, the price of DMSA over here is OBSCENE!!

On reflection I hope I can return it and find a cheaper source (£50 for 45 caps at 100mg, shocking!) I havent yet found anything cheaper in the UK (if anyone does, please give me some pointers )

Ah seafood, I miss it so! Im looking at sources that are low in mercury (as I would like it as an occasional treat, but you are right, mercury is such a problem) and eating them in a way to reduce any likely hood of heavy metals (cilantro was the idea, as was some iron to inhibit mercury absorbtion).

Thanks for everything so far!

[columbo]

Anyone here from england know anything about a cosmetic filer called isolagen? its not approved here in the US and im thinking of making the trip to have it done. the filler is made from your own tissue and is advertised as long lasting and even permanent. im also thinking of having a laser treatment called Fraxel. the before and after photos are amazing.

[Laney_Rae]

Make sure when you get your NCD that you supplement with zinc and vitamin C-zinc because it gets pulled by the NCD and vitamin C to help lesson the side effects of chelating. The C should make you feel a lot better.

[chardy]

Thanks! Will do!

What do you think to an NCD + ALA combo?
Any ideas on whether this would work, or on dosing scheduals?

Trying to work out if NCD is able to cross the blood brain barrier is the next step. Its waiting at my post office for me to collect

[chardy]

Oh dear, its all up and down with this zeolite business!

Reading good things, then bad things, good then bad!

Will be starting it tomorrow, so will keep people posted as to my progress.

[yinyang]

Hi -

Does the acne return when you stop taking the Waiora's Natural Cellular Defense..?