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Myra
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 8:30 pm    Post subject: Liver congestion and weight Reply with quote

I am reaching for straws here but was wondering if someone with a severly congested liver (indicated by all those gallstone attacks I have been suffering for a year and a half, liver spots all over my body - getting quickly progressively worse in the past 12 months, etc.) would have problems with their weight?

I am now 105 pounds over weight and cannot stop the scale from going up up up. I gained all that weight in a matter of a year and a half - most of it in the first 6 months! I worked with a naturapath (who ignored the gallbladder issue) and was using amino acids to help curb appetite and enhance mood and it took me 6 months to lose 4 pounds on a 1200 calorie a day diet.

wehn i stopped taking the amino acids I gained back the 4 pounds and an additional 7 in a matter of days. It is like my metabolism is in reverse or something.

I am getting desperate because this is not my normal self - I can barely walk, I am now having all sorts of problems with my feet, it is effecting my work and my self esteem and confidence are non-existant. The health issues are key here as I know that I can get my self-esteem back when I am healthier. (it seems to be driven by how I feel physically).

I was diagnosed with hypothyroidism about 2 1/2 years ago and have been having problems with that ever since although it looks like for the first time that the hormone levels have evened off as I have not had to adjust med levels in the past 4 months.


what can I do to stop my weight from spiraling out of control and to start losing again so that I feel better mentally and physically?

Any help would be so greatly appreciated!!!!
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shelley
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

you are NOT reaching for straws! Oh dear did I never put this in the FAQ?

The liver is responsible for energy metabolism. Your muscles do about 12%, the LIVER does the rest! That means your liver is responsible for taking the foods you eat and changing them into usable energy, or calories, and then utilizing those calories for energy and brain food. That's a bit of a simplification as I don't want to get into what the TCA cycle is but you get the point. Wink

If the liver is congested, it cannot metabolize foods properly. It can't BURN them. It can only break them down enough to deposit them, still as calories, someplace, usually as fats or the kind of bad fats that cause cellulite. This is one of the reasons why we call liver and bile the FIRE of the power of digestion.

This is why people who gain weight quickly find that even after they lose it they still have to watch their weight - because they never cleanse their liver. Actors who gain weight for an acting role complain of this all the time. If only they'd ask me what to do! Smile
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Myra
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 9:21 pm    Post subject: so if.... Reply with quote

so I am not going crazy?!?!?!

So if I do comprehensive liver decongesting/cleansing I might be able to lose this weight again?!

I know you encourage folks to figure this out for themselves by reading all the FAQs. I just find that I am getting so confused lately and cannot focus on anything for more than 15 seconds at a time and can't seem to stop crying all the time.

I am currently taking just the GCG twice a day to help crush the stones so that the attacks aren't so bad. I was going to start doing colon cleansing also to help move out what the GCG is crushing. I was just going to use some Triphala to start with. I find I cannot seem to be capable of doing more than one or two things at a time because i get so easily confused.

Was considering doing the Master Cleanse program while taking the GCG figuring that might help me clean out my bowels while reducing the stress on the liver/gb by not consuming additional food. I also have just purchased a rebounder - would it be helpful?

Do you think this is a wise thing to do? or will this make my body much more acidic than it already is?

Shelly, thankyou so much for your help, wisdom and hope that you give so freely. I think that is what I need the most right now, hope.
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shelley
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2006 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I detest the master cleanse program. It weakens the bowels.

Yep, cleanse your liver and you'll be able to eat and eat! of course, assuming you are active too. Wink I put weight managemnet in the FAQ and will be adding to it.

It's no problem for the body to move out what the GCG crushes, no problem at all. Just eat a high fiber diet, okay? Smile and take Triphala. You can also take Oxy-Powder.

Here's what I would concentrate on:

GCG in the mornings, followed by the Cleansing Drink and Oxy-powder. That's all for breakfast. Use willpower. Some mornings you can have salmon patties or a lamb chop or hot cereal.

Lunch: cleansing carrot salad and kefir smoothie or Protein Shake with lecithin, nutritional yeast flakes, wheat germ oil, or have it at night if that's the only time you can make it. Have a green apple.

Snack: peppermint tea with honey, or ginger tea.

Dinner: kefir smoothie or protein shake or blueberry fat buster smoothie. OR hot cereal. Or cleansing pasta. or Miso soup with seaweed.

Before bed: Triphala, Livatone Plus (2 pills should do it). Cal-Mag Fizz.

1-3x a week: detox bath, massage, oil swish, dry brushing.

Just do that for a month then reassess your symptoms.

Good luck! Smile
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itslaura
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Joined: 24 Dec 2004
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Location: Chicago

PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 5:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shelley, I have tried to like CalMag Fizz, really I have...but it just reminds me of Alka Seltzer or something vile like that. Mad I'll try to finish off what I have, but is there something else I can take? I really don't like any effervescent substance. Smile Thanks!
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J F
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Joined: 06 Jan 2005
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 7:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

itslaura, I can't stand anything fizzy, either. And, I use CalMagFizz. I've tried all the flavors and the least annoying is the berry flavor (available from Amazon.com if you don't buy it locally). What I do is wait past the 1 minute they recommend after adding water to it. I let it sit for at least a few minutes. Then, I take a spoon and stir it good to get as much of the bubbles out as possible. After a minute of that I let it sit again for another minute. At that point, it's pretty darned flat. Maybe you can try to add a little bit of juice or stevia/xylitol to the drink to alter the flavor if that is part of the problem. Hope this helps. Very Happy
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stacirae
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Joined: 18 May 2006
Posts: 138
Location: New England

PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 3:57 pm    Post subject: weight loss Reply with quote

wow, do I relate to you! I carried 267 lbs around for years til I started cleaning out and decongesting my liver. I have now lost 77 lbs (so far) since December. I was stuck at 200 lbs til I started following Shelley's advice and am now down to 185 and still (naturally and healthily) dropping.

I follow an eating plan much like Shelley recommended and I walk at least a 1/2 hour daily plus take my kids out to play at a park daily. I also took to heart what she said about letting go of anger and avoiding too much down or laying around time. My house has never been cleaner and I feel great about myself now! Im also speanding a LOT more time with my 2 small children which will also pay off loads in the long run.

Listen to Shelley, she can help you! The most important benefit is what you gain in strength and health!
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shelley
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 14, 2006 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can take a calcium/magnesium pill, just make sure that the amount of calcium is no more than 500 mg and magnesium should be about half. If you take a pill, take it apart from meals because it will neutralize stomach acids. Cal-mag fizz doesn't neutralize stomach acids. And it does get flat afer just a minute - I let it sit and wait for me too! Wink
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TK
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Joined: 14 Jun 2006
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 5:57 pm    Post subject: liver congestion and weight Reply with quote

i have used one bottle of chinese bitters to decongest and 2 bottles GCG to break up stones but still feel my liver is still congested since I have not lost any weight and eat well and exercise. I want follow the above advice you gave to Myra with the GCG in the morning and Livatone plus at night. Will the Milk Thistle interfere with horomones especially since I am on the pill? Do you think the Livatone will help with weight loss and maybe that was the piece I was missing or do you think the stones are so excessive and until they are gone the weight will not come off?
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beachbuminthecountry
Carpal Tunnel


Joined: 09 Feb 2006
Posts: 313

PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

shelley wrote:
I detest the master cleanse program. It weakens the bowels.

Yep, cleanse your liver and you'll be able to eat and eat! of course, assuming you are active too. Wink I put weight managemnet in the FAQ and will be adding to it.

It's no problem for the body to move out what the GCG crushes, no problem at all. Just eat a high fiber diet, okay? Smile and take Triphala. You can also take Oxy-Powder.

Here's what I would concentrate on:

GCG in the mornings, followed by the Cleansing Drink and Oxy-powder. That's all for breakfast. Use willpower. Some mornings you can have salmon patties or a lamb chop or hot cereal.

Lunch: cleansing carrot salad and kefir smoothie or Protein Shake with lecithin, nutritional yeast flakes, wheat germ oil, or have it at night if that's the only time you can make it. Have a green apple.

Snack: peppermint tea with honey, or ginger tea.

Dinner: kefir smoothie or protein shake or blueberry fat buster smoothie. OR hot cereal. Or cleansing pasta. or Miso soup with seaweed.

Before bed: Triphala, Livatone Plus (2 pills should do it). Cal-Mag Fizz.

1-3x a week: detox bath, massage, oil swish, dry brushing.

Just do that for a month then reassess your symptoms.

Good luck! Smile


So Shelley this advise is like the slow liver cleansing regimen. This is what I was looking for. The food part is what I wasn't sure of and this helps alot. Thank you
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beachbuminthecountry
Carpal Tunnel


Joined: 09 Feb 2006
Posts: 313

PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

beachbuminthecountry wrote:
shelley wrote:
I detest the master cleanse program. It weakens the bowels.

Yep, cleanse your liver and you'll be able to eat and eat! of course, assuming you are active too. Wink I put weight managemnet in the FAQ and will be adding to it.

It's no problem for the body to move out what the GCG crushes, no problem at all. Just eat a high fiber diet, okay? Smile and take Triphala. You can also take Oxy-Powder.

Here's what I would concentrate on:

GCG in the mornings, followed by the Cleansing Drink and Oxy-powder. That's all for breakfast. Use willpower. Some mornings you can have salmon patties or a lamb chop or hot cereal.

Lunch: cleansing carrot salad and kefir smoothie or Protein Shake with lecithin, nutritional yeast flakes, wheat germ oil, or have it at night if that's the only time you can make it. Have a green apple.

Snack: peppermint tea with honey, or ginger tea.

Dinner: kefir smoothie or protein shake or blueberry fat buster smoothie. OR hot cereal. Or cleansing pasta. or Miso soup with seaweed.

Before bed: Triphala, Livatone Plus (2 pills should do it). Cal-Mag Fizz.

1-3x a week: detox bath, massage, oil swish, dry brushing.

Just do that for a month then reassess your symptoms.

Good luck! Smile


So Shelley this advise is like the slow liver cleansing regimen. This is what I was looking for. The food part is what I wasn't sure of and this helps alot. Thank you


Hey Shelley, I never did this regimen, but just starting it today, but I do have a couple of question..........Can I take the lecithin instead of the GCG and instead of the Livertone could I take a combo of b vitamins and live herbs that i still have left (it has Red beet root, Dandelion root, Parsley leaves, Horsetail stem and Strobilus, Yellow dock root, Black Cohosh root, Birch leaves, Blessed thisle Aerial parts, angelica root, Chamomile flowers, Gentian root ) what else would I need to equal what is in the Livertone.
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shelley
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Location: Southern California

PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 5:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes

yes

sulphur... couple other things, check the label. Smile
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beachbuminthecountry
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Joined: 09 Feb 2006
Posts: 313

PostPosted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So if I by just L glutamine is that ok or do I need a more of an amino acid combo, I am assuming these are the sulfa ones you are talking about. Also should one not to exercises or heavy physical labor on this regimen.
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shelley
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

L-glutamine might be enough, depends on how many drugs you've taken.

Nothing more than 20 minutes of gentle exercise that's easily sustainable is recommended, and if your calories aren't up to par, skip it. It's highly recommended to raise one's circulation, oxygenate the body, stretch, bounce, sweat, but not try to build a lot of muscle mass. That's for later, when you can eat a lot.
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beachbuminthecountry
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Joined: 09 Feb 2006
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the only drug i take is my thyroid med. I have another question, I am doing not to bad on this but the mornings I get really hungry, I really like having the protein shake but feel like i need something to control the hunger. I can go without eating (just the cleansing drink, which I only put lemon and acv and skip the other stuff, it bothers me) until about 10 or 11, i rather have the protein shake to keep the digestion easy, can i combine the protein shake with part of the fiber shake to have a full feeling. Plus every time I noticed when I take the oxypowder or the triphala.

Yeah, I think the other day I over did the exercise cause my dizzy spells came back a little, should I be drinking alot of water considering I drink the cleansing drink just about all day.
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