Proof stones aren't created in GI tract

[Abraham]

Has anyone seen proof that these "stones" aren't created in the intestine like doctors say? I'm not convinced they aren't somehow just congealed balls of bile or something. I can't imagine with a good lab it would too hard to definitively say it either is or isn't, but has anyone gone to the trouble and put the results online?

[shelley]

Yes, unfortunately it was in a forum post and not a website so I didn't save the link. But several CureZone members have had their stones analyzed thanks to working with lab people or actually being a lab person, and the results were pretty definitive - high cholesterol and bilirubin content.

Olive oil doesn't congeal easily. It doesn't in a bottle and our bodies are even warmer. Julia Chang says that an Epsom salts flush will cause a kind of stone formation that you can tell is fake by feel because it's not as waxy but may mistake for a stone by sight, and she's a bio-chemist who still recommends liver flushes so I accept her as an excellent, unbiased source.

I actually swallowed a safe red food dye and beet juice to see if any of the stones came out red. they didn't. Just the liquids did. But then I don't use Epsom salts.

[Abraham]

Yeah, I've read the same thing. I'm still not sure. If bile were congealing in the oil/citrus/whatever then they'd contain much the same thing as a stone wouldn't they? And if they were made up of bile then they wouldn't be dyed, they'd be the color of whatever your gallbladder squirts out. I really don't know how it works, for all I know the citrus prevents the bile from interacting with the oil and causes it to congeal in little balls. I have to admit I find it hard to believe that a human body can store such an enormous amount of this stuff and still function.

I've also read that the bile duct is very small in diameter, around a couple centimeters, which would make it impossible to pass some of the monsters people claim come through their gallbladder.

I don't mean to be a nay-sayer, the reason I bring it up is because if there is benifit in it I'd like to do it again but I haven't been convinced that I'm not just making myself sick by drinking a bunch of oil and passing balls of bile. And I do get very sick when I do it, as bad as my worst hangover. I've stopped doing them. This is one issue I can't figure out, which annoys me because it's one that should be very easy to (dis)prove with modern science.

[shelley]

Bile is an emulsifier, by definition and the laws of chemistry it cannot congeal nor allow fats to congeal. Plus adding the acids from the fruit makes it doubly improbable for the oil to congeal. It is only the things that contaminate bile coupled with stagnation that causes stones to form in the liver and gallbladder, and that takes time. If you freeze the stones and then cut them in half, you'll see layers.

Bile ducts are tremendously flexible. They have to be. They're basically the same tissue as a bladder. Stretchy.

Have you been doing Epsom salt flushes? I don't get sick from flushes anymore since I stopped taking it and reducing the amount of oil. And there are ways to cleanse without flushing, it is not at all mandatory, just the fastest way.

[Abraham]

Sounds pretty convincing. My apprehension comes mostly from the fact that it made me so sick, I don't think anything that makes me feel that bad is good. I did use epsom salts though.

I might try one without the salts and less oil, but not till I'm a bit stronger. Can you recommend any other ways to cleanse the liver? If you have them in the faq then just point me there, I haven't looked up liver stuff in the faq.

And I was wondering... I have racoon eyes (purple circles around them), is that a symptom of a struggling liver, general toxicity, or...?

[shelley]

Oh yes, it's in the FAQ under Liver Management. Be sure to read the part about Stone Dissolvers. If you'd rather not flush, just do about 3-4 different stone dissolvers for 10 days. To aid their action, each morning take one tablespoon of olive oil with a Cleansing Drink chaser. You can also drink dandelion tea and eat the Cleansing Carrot Salad and take an herbal complex like Livatone Plus. That's what I call comprehensive cleansing. Oh dear that should be in the FAQ... hmmm...

Dark circles under the eyes are all about dehydration, bowel and liver congestion, yepperz. Puffyness is usually the kidneys.

If you have purple/darkness above the eyes, that is pretty severe dehydration/congestion and lack of oxygen.