Kidneys

[Monique]

Hi Shelley

Is a urine sample enoug to detect kidney damage?

I started to take some lugols ( drops in water ) and had a unaware metal chelation happening (it takes out bromide, flouride and heavy metals I later found out). After a while my kidneys started to ache like hell, specially after a detox bath. And now my kidneys are painful.
I went to the doc and did a urine test, but I had peed 3 hours before that test. Anyway, the test showed nothing.

Should I be concerned and do another test? I did the full kidney test for BUN and creatinine a few months ago that was good so I doubt that my doctor will let me do another one. But of things have happened since then, a slight epsom salt intolerance that made me sick sick with womiting and headace for a few days, and now this.

*worried*

[shelley]

Oh my, kidney pain is very scary! You poor thing!

Okay, my understanding is that Lugol's is an Iodine tonic, is that what you took? I was not aware that it would chelate metals, that doesn't sound right, at least, not a huge amount, it should mostly just prevent absorption and antagonize (purge) very slightly its opposite minerals. It's possible that you have negatively skewed your minerals and should take some calcium, and boosted your metabolism/thyroid to the point that your parathyroid/kidneys are having to work double-time to manage electrolytes.

Was the pain equal to both sides, or was the pain right or left-side dominant?

A urine test is usually enough but it's best to check creatinine and BUN too. If symptoms (nausea, vomiting, dizziness, frequent urination, foamy urine, pain) continue then definitely get the labs done again. If you start feeling fine, then you can wait.

Don't take anything that changes your electrolytes for awhile (two weeks), just food, no supplements, very few super-foods. A bit of calcium or baking soda only.

Did you take anything else besides the Lugol and Epsom salts? Did you drink the ES or take a detox bath? How much did you take?

[Monique]

Hi Shelley, tanks for the thorough response.

Oh yeah, the lugols is amazing, it has amazing helin properties and it does chelate metals. There is iodine forum at curezone that talks about it. I took it to deal with parasites, and it was very effective in that, but an unwanted "side effect" was the halogen/metal detox.
I did a liver flush with huldas epsom salt dose some month ago and got magnesium toxicity (did'nt even took the whole dose), I thought I would die! Went to the er and they ran tests, byt said that I was fine.

The pain now after the lugol incident is on both sides, something stabbing pain, it's worse if Im stressed or doing something. It's not really fading..
I did the epsom salt detox bath with maybe ½ cup ES in a really hot tub and after the second bath the pain got much worse.

I hope I havent killed them, they already have tons of work to do with candida/lg and parasites..really, I would be surprised if the test showed that they were ok, after all chaos.

Thanks

[shelley]

Ah, so you took a very large dose of Iodine to kill off parasites? You didn't just take a nutritional dose? That would be hard on the body. Killing parasites is very serious business, youhave to be very careful, because what can kill a parasite can also kill a human!

Okay, my recommendations still stand: reduce magnesium by taking Calcium without magnesium, 250 mg a day for 3 days, take a 3 day break, then 3 more days, should help without stressing your kidneys. Also, salts, potassium, iron, E (avocados) and A (carrots with butter) also help the body shed magnesium. (don't take synthetic E or A, they're very hard on the kidneys! Stick to real foods for fats for awhile.)

When you see the doctor again, have him check TSH (thyroid), PTH (parathyroid) in addition to creatinine and BUN. That's where some of your problems could be. There's a feedback system between the kidneys and parathyroid in terms of regulating electrolytes in the bloodstream. If it's messed up, which tends to happen due to heavy metals/parasites, that would explain your very strong reactions to magnesium.

Potassium and baking soda would also help to dissolve most kidney stones, which could be why the sharp pain. Potassium is very easy to get into the diet - ACV, juicing, potatoes... you can't avoid it really.

Can you get your hands on a good kidney tea? Drinking a nettle, cornsilk, parsley tea followed by fresh watermelon is a safe and sane way to aid the kidneys. Eat a low-phosphorus diet too.

If you're certain-sure you have parasites, you need to do more research. Overdosing on Iodine is NOT a good way to kill them off, no way. You can permenantly kill the thyroid gland that way. In fact, that's how orthodox medicine "cures" hyperactive thyroids.

Hope that helps!

[beachbuminthecountry]

I have read that black cherry is good for gout which is related to the kidneys, right?

[shelley]

oh yes black cherry is great - I keep forgetting about that one because it tastes so good it's hard to believe it helps LOL! Yep, gout is due to an overload of acids that the kidneys should be shedding. Lots of fluids, reduced protein diet for a few days plus folic acid, baking soda and gentle diuretics should cure it in no time.

[Monique]

Hi Shelley

I called my doctor today but I could'nt get hold of her, I will try later again.

Thank you for answering so quickly.
I do have parasite problem, toxascaris and flukes. The worm type migrated out to my lungs and liver after a parasite cleanse and now I have them in my body, racing up and dowm my legs and chest. I have this verified by alternative methods and an ND. The problem is how to kill these bastards, the meds are only working if there are worms in the intestines, and it is also prescribed. You thought that I should get on the plane to candada, but I can't really do that since I live in Sweden and have zero income (study) So I guess I have to try the alternative route to get rid of them, but it is hard.

I also have candida and leaky gut and a burning colon, so where should I start with all this? I wan't my life back, this is "hell". I have 11 liverflushes under my belt already, and done fasts and a colon cleanse last august that was very successfull. I guess that healing from all this will be impossible if the parasites are there?



I really don't know here to start?

[Monique]

Hi Shelley

I would like to add that everytime I take anything that oxygenates the blood, like oxygen drops or the lugols (iodine oxygenates blood too, so it could either be that or the metal detox) I get this kidney pain. Why would they react to oxygen so much? I have bought an ozonator to drink ozonated water, but I don't dare to even start that.
Or is it that the oxygen carries so many toxins at once to the kidneys that they get bombarded?

I have also found out that my liver is not detoxing very good, my phase 2 is totally impaired, that's why I got the reaction from the milk thistle, the toxins could not be converted to "safe" toxins and simply hit it hard.

I guess that If I help my liver, the kidneys maybe will manage oxygen therapy better?


Thank you,
M

[shelley]

Yes, exactly right. When the liver isn't doing its job 100%, the kidneys get things the kidneys are not designed to handle. That's why I vehemently disagree with Dr. Hulda Clark - you must must must thoroughly cleanse the liver before doing a parasite cleanse. You have to be as clean as possible because the antiparasite herbs/solutions are poisonous, and dead/dying parasites are poison.

Clark liver flushes ONLY cleanse out stones. Your liver is not clean unless you've taken liver herbs, liver teas, and done fiber-based cleansing at the same time. When you take these things, the kidneys are bombarded with the compounds that can only be excreted via urine. So you have to drink the Cleansing Drink too, or at least adequate fluids.

When you have the larger flukes, the best methods to kill parasites are the herb-based and pharmeceutical-based methods in conjuntion with oxygen therapy, colonics, sweating, salt water flushes. You have to do everything at once so that things are getting OUT of you fast, and you have to take clove oil, black walnut and laxatives. It's not fun.

[beachbuminthecountry]

Sorry for butting in but thank you for this info. I had this question in my head for a while. Thank you again Shelley.

[Monique]

Thanks Shelley, this makes total sense to me. I will have start from the beginning I guess.

This was very helpful, thank you!

By the way, kidneys were fine, lab test with creatinine and urine was ok, phew

[Monique]

Do you recomend Livatone plus to help cleanse the liver, in conjunction with liver flushes? My livers detoxification is really really impaired.

I also have parasites in my lungs, and they hurt like hell, do you think they can also be killed?

[shelley]

Yes. you need to take at least one bottle of liver herbs, plus herbal teas, to truly cleanse the liver.

Consult with a doctor. Many times they recommend leaving them alone so that their death throes don't cause more damage to delicate tissue. The lungs are very delicate. You may have to wait until they migrate somewhere better.

[Monique]

Hi Shelley!

The doctor is not an option for me, they havent found "anything" and if I mention parasites they will send my to a psychologist. I will just have to hope that the herbs and the treatment will reach them in the lungs too.

Thank you for helping me
//Mon

[shelley]

It's really tough to find a doctor who has dealt with parasites, which is why I suggested going to another country. Can you maybe find one in a larger city there? even an herb specialist who has dealt with parasites would be better than going it alone.