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Troy McClure
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 7:00 pm    Post subject: Have I got Kimchi for you ... Reply with quote

Ok guys its time to get down to business - Kimchi. Kimchi is the name given to the Korean version of lactofermented vegetables. It can contain pretty much anything so is infinitely customisable.

However we'll start off with a standard recipe so we at least know what kimchi is supposed to taste like.

The guide I'm choosing to follow is this one which is hosted by the Yahoo Microbial Nutrition group and is written by Heidi Schuppenhauer.

kimchi.pdf

If you don't have it already you need the free Adobe Acroread to view this.

OK so you have the file up and running. Give it a quick read-through.

Now turn to page 3 and have a look at the ingredients. Now go shopping and get these. I'm going to take the following items as my "Base" for kimchi:

cabbage (preferably nappa - but any variety will do)
raddish (preferably daikon, and preferably with greens)
Spring/Green onions
garlic
ginger
carrots

Normally Koreans add several spices to their kimchi, usually including a fish stock. We are going to use either dried or salted Shrimp or Anchovies.

The Koreans also often add Red pepper - but korean pepper is supposedly much milder than other varieties, so I'm not including peppers.

I'm also going to add purple sprouting broccoli as it is a great raw food, but I want to ferment it to neutralise the phytonutrients.

If you dislike any of the ingredients then leave it out.

Got your shopping list?
Good. Now come back here after you have your ingredients and we will proceed.


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shelley
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like the Asian red chili condiments. They are nice in small amounts. Not quite as attacking and sparky to the taste buds as cayenne.

And fermented fish sauce, Nam Plah or however it's spelled, is a wonderful salt. Really gives that exotic, Thai-ish flavor. Which reminds me- I have to write up a recipe for a Thai dish! Smile
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Troy McClure
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a Malaysian sauce - Sambal - I think its sweet fermented fish sauce with chillies. HMMMMMM - its to die for. I was addicted to it for the longest time.

I'm hoping to get the same kind of hit from kimchee.

And perhaps even do some more fermented fish recipes.


P.S. I hope this time someone actually bothers to make the recipe with me - hint, hint. Wink


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shelley
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hahaah - okay I take the hint! for me, Kim chee is hot weather food, not cold weather food. There's something about the combo of hot and sour that is perfect for muggy days.
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harmony
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Troy... I just want you to know I adore you!

LOL - Your first Fan!

You made me giggle at my desk. Any fella that can get so excited over fermentation. Wink Well yours aces with me.

Thanks bunches!
I'm giving the saurkraut a go Sunday evening!
Wish me luck.
Kimchee perhaps next week end!
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Invincible
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Troy - when you've perfected this, please sell me some! Very Happy I'm not kidding. I want some of this good stuff.
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Troy McClure
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 12:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roll up, roll up folks ... I kid you not this is the greatest foodstuff ever.

Similarities to Mr P. T. Barnum aside -

Harmony - I think its great that you are starting off with sauerkraut. Make your mistakes with sauerkraut, so you'll be much more proficient by the time it comes to the effort/expense of making kimchee.

Invincible - selling the food goes against my principles - I want to empower you to make your own!! The only thing I'm selling is knowledge, and the entry price is free.

Shelley - I can't say I'm not a tad disappointed. Hot weather food? Bah humbug!! There is nothing like hot/spicy food in the winter time. Its mood food. Also winter time is the worst time for eating raw stuff, so fermented foods are a godsend - you get the nutrients of raw + the warming effect of cooked foods.

I want you all to know that I'm a typical guy - I love my food and hate cooking. But fermentation has been an absolute joy and a real eyeopener.
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itslaura
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Troy, you might just get me to actually make kimchee. I've had the spices from the Korean store for a few months, but haven't gotten around to buying the rest of the ingredients I need. Plus, it's just so easy to go to the store, fill up a container and take it home...no stress.

BTW, your link didn't work for me - got a document not found error.
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Troy McClure
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

itslaura wrote:
Troy, you might just get me to actually make kimchee. I've had the spices from the Korean store for a few months, but haven't gotten around to buying the rest of the ingredients I need. Plus, it's just so easy to go to the store, fill up a container and take it home...no stress.

BTW, your link didn't work for me - got a document not found error.


Laura try now. If it still doesn't work try right-clicking and choosing the option "save file as ..." then save it to your computer. If that doesn't work post back.

Fermentation should be fun - there shouldn't be any stress involved.

Its about empowering yourself. Empowerment and stress do not go together!
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Invincible
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Troy McClure wrote:
Invincible - selling the food goes against my principles - I want to empower you to make your own!! The only thing I'm selling is knowledge, and the entry price is free.


Humbug! I've only got enough energy to salivate at the moment!
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itslaura
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 27, 2005 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, I got the recipe...I haven't looked that closely at it, but it looks like it has some great info. I especially like the part that went over what could go wrong. I'll put the making of kimchee on my to-do list!
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Troy McClure
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 30, 2005 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Update

Ok so I made my kimchi - only it went badly wrong!
Here are my mistakes for you to avoid:
1. I added way too much garlic - I used 3 bulbs! I would recommend much much less - e.g. 3 *cloves* - see NT recipe below.
2. I added way too much ginger - I used several thumb size pieces
3. I cut the ginger and garlic way too small - this intensified the flavour
4. I cut the cabbage way too small (I used a blender instead of doing it by hand).
5. I used way too much shrimp paste - an entire packet.
6. All in all there were too many competing flavours.

In the end it tasted like a gingery, garlicky, fishy, salty homogenous morass.

So go easy on the ginger & garlic. And don't cut them too small. And if you are not a regular user of shrimp paste, you might want to leave this ingredient out - either that or use it in moderation.

So I'm looking for a volunteer to show me how this recipe is made. I know it can be done.

The problem with the PDF recipe is that it is not idiot-proof - as I found out. It doesn't include explicit quantities - only a picture. So for completeness I give you the Nourishing Traditions recipe to give you a ball-park idea of the quantity of spices to use:

Nourishing Traditions Kimchi

1 head Napa cabbage, cored and shredded
1 bunch green/spring onions chopped
1 cup carrots grated
1/2 cup daikon radish grated (optional)
1 tablespoon freshly grated ginger
3 cloves garlic, peeled and minced
1/2 teaspoon dried chile flakes
1 tablespoon sea-salt
4 tablespoons whey (if not available an additional tablespoon of salt)

Note that NT uses far less garlic & ginger, and doesn't use shrimp paste at all. A far safer recipe.


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itslaura
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Troy McClure wrote:
Update

Ok so I made my kimchi - only it went badly wrong!

5. I used way too much shrimp paste - an entire packet.
....And if you are not a regular user of shrimp paste, you might want to leave this ingredient out - either that or use it in moderation.


Did you use shrimp paste or salted shrimp? I used to live with a Chinese guy and he had Chinese shrimp paste in the fridge...it was kind of a light purple color. Did yours look like this? When friends would come over, I always had them smell the shrimp paste. It had the vilest smell and I enjoyed shocking them! Smile It didn't taste much better either.

I thought about the kimchee this weekend, but haven't yet bought the cabbage, etc. Thanks for the warnings and I know there won't be any shrimp paste or even salted shrimp in mine! I'll keep you posted.
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Troy McClure
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 1:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Laura,
I used shrimp paste. It was brownish in colour. I actually quite liked the smell in the packet. But when fermented with too much garlic and too much ginger, it just tasted foul.

Also at the end of the day it was processed food - and I don't like adding processed food to a ferment.

My advice is to make the Cortido - its much easier to make, the ingredients are far easier to get hold of, and it smells delicious. I can't wait for it to finish fermenting!!
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Invincible
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found some packaged Korean Kimchi in my local Chinese spermarket. It said it was fermented and unpasturised, imported from Korea. It's made of chinese cabbage, ginger, chillis and salt. I've had a couple of tablespoons with lunch 2 days running. It gives me a stomach ache. Is this normal when we are getting more microbes?
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