Noisy liver

[Monique]

Hello Shelley or anyone else experiencing this!

I wonder what is wrong with my liver. It is making strange noises, like a rumbling stomach, and it sounds like there are bubbles in there. This happens when I eat, and afterwards, sometimes hours afterwards. I can sometimes feel a bubbling sensation when the rumbling sounds are present.

I have done tons of liver supporting things, and 4 flushes, succesful ones.
Im a that severly clogged?

What does this indicate?

[shelley]

It indicates that something has hardened enough to obstruct circulation of the bile, which means liver/bile duct stones. Time to flush or at least dissolve stones.

[Monique]

argh pesky stones! I expel really big ones each time, I guess there is a lot more in there..

[Monique]

Hi Shelley!

I have to ask what is wrong with my liver, since something very strange happened this weekend.

I have totally done 5 flushes, with 2-3 weeks apart, done all the stone dissolvning and liver management, before and in between flushes.
So now I thought that I would add some liver herbs, I bought solarays Milk thistle (it has dandelion and artichoke) "Guaranteed potency". WHen I started to take it I felt good, and always took one pill with "fatty" meals (olive oil). But as the days passed i started to feel a teeny teeny, dull pain in one small spot. But I just thought it was irritation from the LF, so I continued the milk thistle, since it's healing?

This saturday I ate tuna with lots of olive oil added and veggies, and some
salt and took two pills. After 30 minutes my liver exploded! I have never experienced pain like that. It felt like somone was stabbing my liver with a knife, and it was cramping, and the pain was radiating everywhere, shoulder, back stomach, armpit. I had to lie down from all the pain, it was absolutely horrible!!
I have never experienced liver pain from supplements, if I can't tolerate them I usually get hives.

After maybe one hour the pain stopped, but I am still very sore in my liver area. I still have stabbing, cramping sensations and it is very painful. I have stopped the milk thistle supplement completely.

I also suspect that I have liver flukes since I have seen "tomato skins" when I did my LF. The funny thing is that I have aldready done a para-cleanse a while back ago...

What happened? Did I kill something? Allergic reaction? Probably not a healing crisis..

I was planning to do a LF this weekend, but maybe I should wait?
Can I do anything to take the pain away?


--> Me

[Monique]

...although many of my symptoms seemed to decrease as I started the herbal pills. More energy, less CFS symtoms, better metabolism and so on. Too bad that the supps had to give me pain maybe my liver is still too weak for them?

Hm, Im really trying to figure this out..

[Monique]

Gheesh, the pain is so huge that Im going crazy. It gets worse by every day. I haven't done anything to aggravate the pain and I only ate very sparingly the whole time. How could I get so sick from the herbs? It's crazy!
The pain is stabbing and hot, sometimes cold burning in my whole right chest, my whole right arm is in pain as my upper/mid back. it gets worse when Im stressed/in hurry and it's worst in the evening before bed. Im getting really freaked out.
I have been drinking ginger/carrot juice, ACV, tons of peppermint and green tea, lecitin.


should go to the dcctor, maybe I have an infection?

[shelley]

Parasites can hurt that much. TAke your temperature - if it spikes above 101 degrees, go to the hospital right away. Until then, do something about those damned parasites.

[Monique]

The temperature was normal. Ahh those flukes! I will try to take some parasite herbs (with a juice fast) and then flush them out with a flush at the end.

Will a "clarkia-copy" tincture work as good? It has the same ingredients and it is alkohol based.

[shelley]

that should be fine. Just make sure it's a manufacture that makes a lot and has good standards, good reviews.

[Monique]

thank you thank you thank you!!

Yes it is a very trusted "health-care products" selling company.

I did a flush last night, and I got out 4 teeny teeny "tomato skins".
And something that was stringy, thin, pink/whitish and mushy Like a piece/string of "flesh". Could it be a worm? I looked it closely and poked it with a stick, after a while it broke apart.

Hm, pain is still there though..

Phu!

[Monique]

Ooh just one more thing!

I have been thinking about buying Julias Changs herbs, CGC, bitters etc. Would that benefit me or do more harm? I've heard so many good results from people using her herbs, even in terms of eliminating flukes!

But Shelley, why did my liver react so badly to the milk thistle?


Thanks!

[Monique]

Hi!

pain is worse than ever today, more and more everyday. I think that I have caused some serious damage to the liver by the herbs, since I had an explosion in there right after ingesting the (upped dose) of the milk thistle.

I've come across old curezone posts from persons with the exact same pains, and have had them for years wihout relief and doctors don't know what it is. OH NO!

It doesnt hurt in the morning as I wake up, but as soon as I start to do things or feel sad the pain is horrible, and by the evening the pain is strongest. I don't think its the parasites, I think that the liver tissue got severly damaged

Can I heal this? The liver is not healing itself..

[shelley]

Not sure why you felt pain from the milk thistle. That's very odd! Man I wish every country's medical system had parasite protocols, but most ignore them. Canada and Africa are the only places I know of where you can go to a doctor, say I think I've got parasites, and get treated right.

[Monique]

[shelley]

it depends on the strength of the herbs and how fast they die. No more than three days of diarrhea is a good guideline to follow, and you should be taking thigns to promote fast BMs while taking parasite herbs.