metal chelation gone bad - I really need help.

[jinx1983]

Hello everyone,

Upon receiving my hair analysis results over a month ago, I decided to do something with my heavy metal problem, partculary mercury, which, as I know now, has been making me feel miserable for the last 2 years and even before that for that matter. I started taking chlorella, cilantro, sulphur diet. Within the first minutes of taking chlorella or cilantro I felt the metals moving around my body, felt small muscle twitches and even had a semi-paralysing feeling in the left part of my face (cheeks, actually, but it was nothing serious). So, knowing I react, I continued. That was 2-3 weeks ago.

Over that time I became sicker, ending with a flu-like symptoms (runny nose, cold extremities, huge irritability). At the time I also included MSM, and of course from the very beginning selenium, zinc, witamin E, plus A and C - all the usual recommendations. Having enough of the symptoms I stopped taking everything (except selenium, zinc and vitamins) last thursday. On saturday I still felt lousy, despite doing coffee enemas, drinking water, fiber diet etc (yes I remembered about all of that), and came to conlusion that I have been failing at cleansing, getting rid of candida, lifting brain fog etc because of mercury stores in my body.

So I decided to do a 24h metal chelation with 25mg ALA. I started before bedtime, and immediately felt pleasently warm and my energy lifted. I felt to bed and well... could't fall asleep. I felt the ALA doing things in my brain, but since it was expected, I took the 2nd dose 3h later. Ouuuch, was that bad - I felt huge pressure in my brain, as if it was being squeezed plus started to feel the same sort of pressure in my kidneys and liver (Oh, I took milk thistle, vitamin e, calcium and lots of water at that time - I think I drank like 4litres of water throughout the night). That really freaked me out and after quick fact overviewing I came to conclsion I still had some sulphur stores moving mercury around after the previous 3 weeks, so I decided to stop.

Next morning I felt really lousy, with a feeling of 2/3 of my brain under pressure and brain fogged, (surprisingly the reamining 1/3 seemed quite clear, LOL), irritated, and with the pressure in kidneys and liver.

Now I'm a bit better, I actually notice my memory has somewhat improved after that procedure, but the rest just sucks. I have stiff muscles and joints, my skin looks bad, I broke in acne, have OCD-like behaviour.

Can someone advise me on what to do? I guess the initial feeling sick after chlorella, MSM, cilantro tells me that I react badly to sulphur and I should avoid it.

That leaves me with ALA round the clock chelation, but I risk Hg redistribution to my brain. And I also need to get mercury out of the brain, esp since I'm starting college in 1 month and NEED TO GET MENTALY BETTER. I already lost 2 years of college due to, what I thought before was only candida. Now I just know it's the metals. But best thing would be to first get the mercury from the body, than the brain. But how to do that without ALA? I have no access to DMSA, DMPS etc jst the natural stuff.

Maybe I should just rely on MSM and selenium at first? Does anyone know if MSM *is a chelator* or does it just move things around? Or, should I try with ALA after all, without MSM or chlorella?

And I did read the FAQ, many times, I'm just perplexed.

My overall symptoms are:
- fatigue
- candida
- bad digestion, low stomach acids, whatever I do
- muscle twitches (i can live with that)
- skin problems
- hair loss
... and psychological:
- brain fog,
- OCD
- antisocial/social inaptitude
- anxiety
- short term memory loss

And sorry about the long post!

[Aman]

damn.........I seem to suffer from the same symptoms you do (except candida)

My hair seems to be thinning.....started to happen whilst I was taking dr schulzes IF formula no.1.+ 2..........im also hoping to do some metal detoxing later this month after liver flush,blood purification,etc!

[jinx1983]

hey aman, do you have amalgam fillings? I still have seven of them...

[Laney_Rae]

You should never use just ALA alone to chelate. ALA pulls the mercury out of the brain but does not move much of it out of the body. You could be just redistributing the mercury. I use ALA and DMSA, doing three day cycles taking them every three to four hours. Then you need a two week break in between for your body to recover. Even better though is a newly discovered product by Waiora called Natural Cellular Defense. It's just liquid drops that you take with water a few times a day. People have had incredible success with these drops, and they are incredibly safe. They don't even pull the minerals out of your body (except zinc, which you need to take while you are on it). You can find this product online. I highly recommend it. I've been taking it for only a couple weeks now and already have seen improvement in my acne and muscle twitches, etc.

Oh, and be sure not to chelate when you still have amalgam fillings. It will pull the mercury from your teeth and dump it in your body.

[jinx1983]

thx laney_rea for your answer!

I guess it comes down to the definition of a 'chelating agent'. Am I wrong in my understanding that a chelator is a substance that MOVES THE METAL out of YOUR BODY? (most of the time, that is, there's always the danger of redistribution). And isn't ALA considered (even by the conservative medical community) a chelator? Shelley in her FAQ makes it look like a chelator by definition (she says DMSA, although great for pulling mercury out, is optional).

And as much as I know of ALA, it being fat-soluble may not move the metals out through the kidneys, but more through the bile, so if you practise liver/colon cleansing it should be fine...

This zeolite things sounds great, I definitely need to inspect it! In the meantime, laney_rea, what's your take on chlorella, msm, garlic, cilantro etc? I definetely do see them doing things, just can't say whether for the good or bad. Guess I'd have to w8, but still... would you advise for or againts them?


appreciate your answer!

[Laney_Rae]

ALA can of course be considered a chelator because it does move SOME metals out of the body, but there is a much higher chance of redistribution. The way it works is by moving metals across the blood brain barrier. What is so dangerous about it is that if you have more mercury in the cells of your body than in your brain, the ALA will actually move the metals across the barrier INTO your brain, rather than the other way around. This only occurs in people who have had more recent exposure to mercury. When this happens, really lousy side effects can occur, as well as long term effects as well. ALA does work incredibly well with DMSA however. The way it works is that ALA pulls the metals out of your brain, then the DMSA mops them up and takes them out of the body. If you have had recent exposure to mercury you should definitely do a few cycles of just DMSA before using ALA. If you can get ahold of it, check out Andy Cutler's protocol. Everyone has different theories and beliefs about chelating but I really am incredibly well studied on the process. I don't agree with everything on this site, but I do agree with the far majority of it. The reason I know about chelating is that my brother is mercury poisoned and has been chelating for five years. Incredibly progress has been made.

Now that I have explained all that, I would honestly just recommend trying the zeolite. It is pretty amazing stuff. I think chlorella, garlic, and cilantro are great...don't know much about msm. I think they are definitely slower working but that progress can definitely be made. Good luck with dealing with your toxicity issues. I am chelating too so I definitely know what a long struggle it can be.

[yinyang]

- Can you use Natural Cellular Defense when you still have metal fillings..?

[shelley]

that should be okay.

[beachbuminthecountry]

[shelley]

That doesn't make sense, unless the amalgams are directly touching a live root, and even then it's doubtful. The NCD crystals are quite large, they can't get into the tiniest areas. Most of what you take simply stays in the gut because there aren't a lot of receptor sites for rocks/minerals. For instance, when we take iron, something our body desperately needs, we only absorb 8%.

I wouldn't take NCD more than 3 days because there's still too many questions that are unanswered. Any non-food product that is not investigated by the FDA and/or not been in use by the general public for more than 10 years is suspicious- you're taking a huge chance. So far the testimonials are great - but I wouldn't take it for more than 3 days because if it IS doing damage (the crystals have sharp edges) you wouldn't want to do more than 3 days' worth of damage to your kidneys in order to exit toxins. The cost would outweigh the benefits at that point.

[beachbuminthecountry]

[little monkey]

That sounds scary Shelley. I have tried NCD and think it helps me ... but I don't want to be taking risks like that. They do claim that NCD is on the FDA's safe list though ...

[shelley]

You HAVE to be careful when the site for the product has inaccuries in their claims, such as their claim that NCD helps people by changing thier pH by trapping ions. First off, pH changes to alkaline by adding a base, such as carbonate, or an acid. pH is a very simple measurement of atoms. That's the ONLY way to change pH. It's like they're saying the moon is made of green cheese.

Ions are ANY atom with an extra electron or missing an electron, and there's no such thing as "trapping" them. You either have an ionic bond or you don't. This is a very basic fact of how things work. What, did they suddenly discover a basic building block of molecules that no other scientist in history has discovered? I don't think so!

Oh and I love how they say their minerals are water-soluble. A mineral is a rock. A rock is a rock is a rock. Since when do rocks float?

So what's probably really happening when people see good results, is this product has some essential trace minerals that are taking care of deficiencies and acting as blockers in the gut to phosphorus. Or maybe it's full of potassium, magnesium, and other alkaline pH minerals and changing pH that way.

[J F]

The nurse practitioner that works with Dr. Cutler on helping people with metals chelation recommends NCD to her patients and uses it herself with good results. I also use NCD at her suggestion, but I don't have amalgams. I've been using it for about a year and only use it about 3-4 days per week in small doses, like 5-10 drops a day spread out.

But, yes. If it's new, there's always the chance that it may cause problems we have not yet discovered.

[beachbuminthecountry]