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JohnnyD Grasshopper
Joined: 06 Aug 2005 Posts: 47
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Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 6:26 pm Post subject: My Liver Flush Protocol...correct? |
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Ok guys I would really appreciate it if someone could help me out with a liver/gallbladder flush I am planning to do on Saturday. I want to make sure I've got my protocol properly planned out
I have developed my protocol from Shelley's FAQ and Curezone (Dr. Hulda) but not sure how correct it is:
SATURDAY:-
-5:00pm:
stop eating by this time; all food eaten prior to this time should be unrefined wholesome food that is easily digestible e.g. veggies, fruits, salads, nuts etc.
-6:00pm
take 3/4 tablespoon of Epsom Salts in cup of warm water (to open bile ducts)
-8:00pm
take another 3/4 tablespoon of Epsom Salts in cup of warm water
-10:00pm
Mix 1/2 cup of Olive Oil and 1/2 cup of Lemon Juice/Grapefruit Juice and drink
-10:30pm
Mix another 1/2 cup of Olive Oil and 1/2 cup of Lemon Juice/Grapefruit Juice and drink then go SLEEP
SUNDAY:-
-7:00am
Do a salt water flush (2 tablespoons in a litre of water) or take Oxy-powder capsules
-12:00pm
take P&B shake
-8:00pm
take another P&B shake
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QUESTIONS:
-I want to use only a small amount of Epsom Salts to open the bile ducts so the stones can travel through easily. Should I only take one dose or two separate doses as above of ES?
-For the following morning i.e. Sunday, I will have to find a way to get the toxins out therefore what is the best thing to do either a SWF or Oxy-Powder?
-Shelley says in her FAQ to take two doses of the OO/LJ while Dr. Hulda says to just use one. How much are we supposed to take ?
-Is half a cup approximately 8 tablespoons/120ml?
-Have I missed any steps out ?
Thanks so much to anyone who helps out!!!! |
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h0ppy Moderator
Joined: 24 Dec 2004 Posts: 406 Location: Chicago
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Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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you can just take 1 tablespoon of epsom salts 2 hours before the OO/GF instead of the two seperate doses. you might even be able to get away with only 1/2 tablespoon epsom 1 hour before.
hulda clark has an alternative schedule where you take a second dose the following morning. i always do two doses of olive oil, but i take mine in the morning. i think you should be fine taking the two doses at night though.
i'd definately do a SWF the next morning, or series of enemas or a colonic. you want to get things out of you asap. i'd do the SWF in the morning, the pb shakes during the day, and then the oxy before bed. be sure to do pb shakes for atleast 3 days. try to get a colonic if you can.
good luck! |
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JohnnyD Grasshopper
Joined: 06 Aug 2005 Posts: 47
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Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 1:31 am Post subject: |
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Hey H0ppy, wow thanks for your response... . I'm glad I still haven't done the flush yet as your post gave me some great info.
You say you do two doses but in the morning, is there any difference than doing it in the evening? Shelley's FAQ says do two doses around 10:00pm and 10:30pm. Or did you mean you do one dose of oo/gf in the evening then another the next day in the morning?
Also I'm slightly confused on the dose of oo/gf, is half a cup = 8 tablespoons = 120ml? So we take half a cup of each oo&gf? But to me only 8 tablespoons of each sounds quite small to me so have I got the doses wrong?
And is the dosage for the SWF = 2 tablespoons per litre of water correct?
Sorry for all the questions, this protocol can get quite confusing at times  |
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h0ppy Moderator
Joined: 24 Dec 2004 Posts: 406 Location: Chicago
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Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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i take a 1/2 cup of OO, and 3/4 cup or more of GF/lemon at night. then the following morning, i take 1 tablespoon of Epsom Salts two hours before my second dose. i don't know if there is a difference between taking both the doses at night, rather than the second one in the morning. my theory is that it purges the stones that came to the front of the liver after the first dose.
are you mixing the olive oil and fruit juice together?
a SWF is contains 2 tablespoons of salt per quart. |
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JohnnyD Grasshopper
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Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 1:56 am Post subject: |
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| h0ppy wrote: | i take a 1/2 cup of OO, and 3/4 cup or more of GF/lemon at night. then the following morning, i take 1 tablespoon of Epsom Salts two hours before my second dose. i don't know if there is a difference between taking both the doses at night, rather than the second one in the morning. my theory is that it purges the stones that came to the front of the liver after the first dose.
are you mixing the olive oil and fruit juice together?
a SWF is contains 2 tablespoons of salt per quart. |
Ok that sounds interesting, by doing one dose at night and one dose in the morning probably helps the liver as it doesn't over tax it in any way. Yeh I plan on mixing the olive oil and lemon juice/grapefruit juice as it is more effective that way.
One final thing then...is half a cup = 8 tablespoons = 120ml???
I'm sorry if I keep asking it but I really don't know exactly how much to use as I have no measuring instrument. |
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itslaura Has >Two Cents
Joined: 24 Dec 2004 Posts: 228 Location: Chicago
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Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 2:55 am Post subject: |
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| JohnnyD wrote: |
One final thing then...is half a cup = 8 tablespoons = 120ml???
I'm sorry if I keep asking it but I really don't know exactly how much to use as I have no measuring instrument. |
According to my handy little measuring glass, you're right. It's also 24 teaspoons or 4 ounces.  |
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JohnnyD Grasshopper
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Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2005 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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| itslaura wrote: | | JohnnyD wrote: |
One final thing then...is half a cup = 8 tablespoons = 120ml???
I'm sorry if I keep asking it but I really don't know exactly how much to use as I have no measuring instrument. |
According to my handy little measuring glass, you're right. It's also 24 teaspoons or 4 ounces.  |
Hi Laura, thanks very much for confirming that. Hmm so two doses of 8 tablespoons of olive oil and 8 tablespoons of grapefruit juice (or lemon juice) doesn't sound too bad I'm sure I will be able to manage that
Thanks again...Liver flush here we come... |
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harmony Moderator
Joined: 11 Jan 2005 Posts: 460 Location: Canada
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Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 2:02 am Post subject: |
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Good luck JohnnyD
I wish you a successfuk flush.
I use fresh sequeezed red or ruby red grapefruit juice with the olive oil, It is tasty and has never failed me. |
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JohnnyD Grasshopper
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Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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| harmony wrote: | Good luck JohnnyD
I wish you a successfuk flush.
I use fresh sequeezed red or ruby red grapefruit juice with the olive oil, It is tasty and has never failed me. |
Thanks Harmony !!
Well I completed my FIRST liver flush a few days ago. I only did one dose of one tablespoon of Epsom Salts 2hrs prior the flush and I decided to take two doses of Olive Oil and Grapefruit+Lemon Juice (mixed together) at night (as Shelley recommends) rather than one at night and one in the morning. The OO/GF+LJ mixture was very very easy to get down and didn't bother me at all whilst doing it. But around an hour after drinking the mixtures my stomach felt very weird so I drank some peppermint tea which temporarily relieved the nausea but came back. So I didn't have the nicest sleep I've ever had .
The next day I woke up and did a salt water flush which was AWFUL...yuk yuk yuk (lol)!!! I so under-estimated how hard it would be to drink down 2 tablespoons of sea salt in 1 litre of water but I managed to get it all down. I can't describe how horrible the taste is though and was amazed I didn't vomit.
But around an hour and a half later I had to go to the toilet and was hoping to pass some stones but didn't see any. After going to the toilet a further 7+ times I couldn't see any large stones in my stools I saw a few hints of very tiny green bits but nothing that could be definitely described as stones. This could have been partly due to the fact that the toilet water wasn't very clear, lol (sorry for being so detailed). I also took my Oxy-powder capsules and P&B shakes but still saw very little. One weird thing I did experience was later on in the afternoon I began passing green/blue/grey water but this could have been due to me eating blueberries.
Moreover, since doing the flush I haven't experienced any benefits notably to my skin. My skin has stayed exactly the same i.e. the persistant rosacea redness is there and my allergies/hives are still occuring. I'm not sure what to do next.
Shall I do another flush in two weeks time?
If I do go ahead and do more flushes should I take more Gold Coin Grass and Chinese Bitters tinctures?
I did experience some strange very light pains in my liver a few days after doing the flush. Is this normal? Could I have done more harm than good to my liver?
Is the salt water flush safe with regards to the heart because a high-sodium diet increases blood pressure and can have detrimental effects on your health e.g. heart attacks etc.? Presumably it is because the salt isn't absorb and is immediately exreted, I hope it is anyway? But why would this method involve complete excretion and eating slighlty high doses each day don't? |
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Invincible Vital Member
Joined: 24 Dec 2004 Posts: 558
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Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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Hi JohnnyD
Congrats on your first flush!
Many don't get stones in their first flush, that's normal. I've completed 18 flushes now and each flush is very different.
I would definately recommend you do an enema or colema/colonic the day after the flush, or within 3 days - that tends to get a lot of stuff out.
If you're working on skin issues, I find that bowel cleansing and lymph management is more important than the liver. Liver is important too but that comes second.
I didn't get good stones until around the 6th flush. |
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shelley Editor in Chief
Joined: 23 Dec 2004 Posts: 7087 Location: Southern California
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 8:24 am Post subject: |
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Yep, liver pain post-flush is completely normal. A liver lfush is a LOT of work and those pesky stones and chaffe can irritate the bile ducts. It really is a kind of non-invasive surgery when you think about it.
Anything that floats is (or was) a stone.
Yes, you must do stone dissolvers prior to every flush.
No, the salt water is not at all absorbed. That's why you put so much salt in the water, to keep the salt and the water from being absorbed. |
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JohnnyD Grasshopper
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks so much Shelley and Invincible for posting your replies and clearing up a few of my concerns
Shelley I'm planning on doing another flush next week so in the mean time I will continue to take the GCG and CB tinctures. Do you know if there is an alternative to Julia Chang's GCG tincture that I may take and hopefully source locally (in the U.K.)? Shipping from Canada plus customs is very expensive especially if I am only going to order one item as I still have loads left of Julia's CB tincture.
Few I'm glad that no salt water is absorbed at all because I was beginning to get a bit worried there. Do you know what is the limit at which the body absorbs salt and if this limit is surpassed then begins to excrete it all?
Invincible, I see where you get your name from >>> 18 flushes WOW, That is loads, nice one! What are the benefits you have experienced since completing all those flushes? Originally I too thought that lymph and bowel management was more important than liver cleansing when it came to my skin. However, I have done bowel and lymph management for so long with little change to my complexion that I can only assume my skin issues are down to some hormonal imbalance and liver congestion . |
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shelley Editor in Chief
Joined: 23 Dec 2004 Posts: 7087 Location: Southern California
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Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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Check the FAQ for my recommendations in Liver Management, many of which can be found in the UK, check the Sources forum for links.  |
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JohnnyD Grasshopper
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Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2005 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks Shelley, ok I've re-read your FAQ and you list:
| Quote: | Drink a gallon of good organic apple juice or country apple cider, however long it takes.
Eat a green or red apple (Fuji are great, not as tart as Granny Smith) every day.
Take one tablespoon of Apple Cider Vinegar 3x daily. Try adding it to the apple juice, it cuts the tartness.
If you are hypoglycemic or candida challenged, take Malic Acid supplements from the health food store, it's the same as apple juice. 1,000 mg - 2,000 a day for 3-7 days.
Eat one tablespoon of lecithin granules 3x daily for 3-5 days.
Liquid PhosFood, available online for about 7 dollars, is what my naturopathic doctor recommended. Take drops as recommended on the bottle for 4 days, usually 10 drops 3x day.
"Stone Free" by Planetary Formulas, an herbal remedy for kidney and gb stones. |
So if I take these items and not the GCG then I should experience the same benefits as GCG?
Could you also please clear up the query in my previous post: Do you know what is the limit at which the body absorbs salt and if this limit is surpassed then begins to excrete it all i.e. how much salt does it take for the body to stop absorbing salt and start rejecting it.
Thanks a lot! |
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shelley Editor in Chief
Joined: 23 Dec 2004 Posts: 7087 Location: Southern California
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Posted: Thu Sep 01, 2005 12:12 am Post subject: |
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| Yep! absolutely. Choose at least two out of the list and that should be sufficient. |
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