Primal Defense dosage

[eidos]

Hi SHelly,

Thanks for the quick e-mail response! Before i automaticaly made the mistake of goining wo www.askshelly.com wich is some wierd fitnes webpage, so i thought what the hecK?

Anyway, at what dosage should i use primary defense, to avoid all possible dangers, in case they are real? Is one big bottle all i need then? (i foolishy wanted to order a whole bunch.)

Also, is FOS really bad for people with candida?

Thank you,

All the best

[shelley]

oh no WAY! there's an askshelly!!!!!!!!!!!!! arrrgggh! I didn't even think to look for that address to see if it's taken. That's too funny! aarrrgggghhhh.

Start out with 2 caplets a day and see how you do. Chances are you won't need more than 4 caplets a day. Make sure you dno't have leaky gut tho - if you end up getting a skin rash, chances are you still have too much gut permeability to take any kind of probiotic.

FOS are actually fine for candida. They are a special kind of carb that is anti-fungal. I recommend Aloe Vera for candida people all the time.

[Troy McClure]

Cue twighlight-zone music ... do-do do-do ...

Do you think there is another "Troy McClure" out there too??

Personally I would avoid FOS if you have candida - it will feed the yeast/bad bacteria. The only exception is if you are taking a probiotic which has a small amount of FOS in - then that should be fine. But do not take large amounts. Bloating/gas is a sure sign that it is feeding the yeast. Unfortunately I had to learn this the hard way.

Shelley are you thinking of glyconutrients (in Aloe vera) ??

[shelley]

oh goodness, maybe I am!!! I could be doing the ol' switcharoo. Okay, don't listen to me, listen to Troy!

but I'm pretty sure aloe Does have FOS. It's one of the few good concentrated sources outside of taking an actual FOS supplement.

[h0ppy]

[shelley]

Okay, i looked it up and it looks like FOS are safe:


Two experiments were conducted to determine if supplementing soluble fiber (fructooligosaccharide, xylooligosaccharide or gum arabic) to a semi-elemental diet would beneficially change cecal and colonic microbiota populations and enhance epithelial cell proliferation. Experiments 1 and 2 used identical dietary regimens; mice and rats were given free access to a powdered semi-elemental diet. Animals were assigned to one of the four following treatment groups: control, no supplemental dietary fiber, fructooligosaccharide, xylooligosaccharide and gum arabic. Dietary fiber was supplied via drinking water at 30 g/L. In Experiment 1 populations of Bifidobacteria and total anaerobic flora were enumerated from the contents of the cecum and colon of weanling mice. Consumption of fructooligosaccharide increased (P < 0.05) the concentrations of Bifidobacteria and the ratio of Bifidobacteria to total anaerobic flora. In Experiment 2 tissue from the cecum and distal colon of weanling rats was examined for morphological changes of the mucosa. Consumption of xylooligosaccharide increased (P < 0.05) cecal crypt depth and labeling index relative to the other three treatments. Consumption of gum arabic and the control diet increased (P < 0.01) cecal proliferation zone. Consumption of xylooligosaccharide and the control diet increased (P < 0.01) cecal cell density (number of cells in a vertical-half of the crypt). Distal colonic crypt depth was greatest (P < 0.05) in controls and rats fed fructooligosaccharide, intermediate in those fed gum arabic, and smallest in those fed xylooligosaccharide. These results suggest that fructooligosaccharide effectively stimulates growth of Bifidobacteria and xylooligosaccharide supports a modest enhancement of cecal epithelial cell proliferation.

[h0ppy]

Thank you for clearing that up!

[Troy McClure]

Trust me on this one! I've researched it extensively.

In a healthy person FOS feeds the good bacteria - specifically the bifidobacteria, but in someone with dysbiosis the bad guys have a field day. Candida loves FOS and will metabolise it without any problems, especially if it is the dominant flora.

FOS and its related prebiotic Inulin can be found in several foods including garlic, artichoke, onions, asparagus etc. I don't know if Aloe contains any FOS/inulin, but it is certainly high in glyconutrients, and many of its therputic benefits are related to these compounds.

In a person with candida consuming FOS will lead to bloating and a general worsening of symptoms.

Even the manufacturers now acknowledge that FOS is not ok for people with dysbiosis. For this reason many products with FOS contain a warning to watch out for bloating and to discontinue usage if that should occur.

If you want a prebiotic and you have dysbiosis - either go with the natural foods, or Duncan Crow sells a FOS-free Inulin. Basically it is Inulin with all the simple sugars removed. As far as I know he is the only source in the world which supplies this product. I've taken it and it fed only the bifido bacteria, not the candida.

[shelley]

Now THAT makes sense. Okay. The lab test rats didn't have dysbiosis.

[AgnesT]

Oh no! Here I've been thinking I've been SO good on my anti candida diet and I've been taking Yerba Prima Colon Care Formula (for the fiber) 4 times a day and it has FOS in it. I am so glad this issue came up.

[eidos]

Thanks for clearing that up guys.

I'm currently using some probiotic with 7billion viable cells (10 strain), but it also contains simple sugars (FOS), inulin acacia, baobab wich i guess is really bad for candida. Time for something else untill my international order arrives.

So is soy ok while you're on candida? Is gluten in dinkel/spelt dangerous? It's really hard to eat withought any of it, since i'm a vegan.

I don't think my candida case is severe, thou it did it got a little worse of late, but i definately don't have a leaky gut. White sugar is what killed me, my mom never let me have any antibiotics (thanks mom) when i was a kid, but unfortunately i always ate a lot of sweets, despite her preaching about the "white death". I don't have any sugar cravings, though i do like bread (50% quinoa fluor, 25% dinkl 25% buckwheat). I'd really hate to loose that from my diet.

[Troy McClure]

Many (if not *all*) probiotics come with a food source for the bacteria, that would otherwise be bad for us yeasties. If its not FOS then it is usually some kind of simple starch like maltodextrin.

The point is that a small amount of this hopefully won't hurt you. Its a question of balancing out the potential good of the new bacteria versus the potential bad of the offending ingredient.

The only way to tell is to use the product and watch for any reactions. Remember all foods contain sugars - the question is how much.

[AgnesT]

OK, in light of this discussion, will it be ok to drink aloe vera juice while on the candida diet?

[eidos]

Nuts, nothing is ever easy, is it? Thanks for all the input.

[Troy McClure]

Aloe vera juice is an excellent thing to drink if you have candida. Very healing to the gut as well as packed with nutritious glyconutrients. One of the most healing superfoods ever.

I'm afraid the easy answers in life are often the wrong ones. So you won't find many easy answers here.