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chickpea Busy Bee!
Joined: 03 Jan 2005 Posts: 455 Location: Nottinghamshire, UK
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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2005 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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Hi, it would probably be best to ask someone who is more experienced in this as I don't feel qualified enough to comment on the those mineral levels. You have to go with your instinct and if you really don't feel mercury is connected with your problems then that's good, I hope it isn't! Just a couple of points though...
I don't necessarily believe that candida causes thyroid and adrenals issues, it could be the other way round. There's no proof either way.
I don't how many people with candida are affected by mercury, perhaps nobody knows that for sure.
My health didn't improve either when I had my fillings out. Mercury can leach into your system anyway whilst you have the fillings and remain in your body tissues for years regardless of whether you have them out or not, though undoubtedly getting them out stops further intoxication. It also depends whether you've become sensitised to it and/or whether you can excrete it adequately. You can get good and poor excretors. Apparently people of North Europen origin are more susceptible to it's toxic effects (according to Cutler again).
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dianna Confident Contributor
Joined: 25 Dec 2004 Posts: 104 Location: Michigan
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Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 2:35 am Post subject: |
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Anne,
Thank you for the list of metal toxity possibilities and the link to the websites.
It sure opened my eyes! I have discontinued the use of almost all household cleaners, but I still need to change the few I use (dishwashing liquid) to some of the better choices I have read about. And there were some other surprises in that list on the website. Whew........
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shelley Editor in Chief
Joined: 23 Dec 2004 Posts: 7087 Location: Southern California
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Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 3:16 am Post subject: |
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The glands are very tender, diffuse tissues, so I think metal toxicity would hurt them a lot. Whether that leads to thyroiditis depends on a lot of factors such as genetic proclivities and what other toxins a person is exposed to and how much they exercise/sweat. Plus since mercury interferes with the proper use of other minerals, that will hurt any number of processes from synthesis/rebuilding to elimination of toxins to you-name-it!
It's pretty easy to replace most household cleansers once you get the hang of it. I tend to use vinegar for most things - a 5-10% solution of vinegar and water will take out most bacteria, molds and mildew. For other things there's that wonderful Miracle II soap. I still use Windex, it's one of my few cheats, because it's such a great ant killer - degreasers just take them apart - and we have a problem with ants in the kitchen. I keep trying to steer them out of it non-violently, even offered them food on the porch, but they just won't listen!  |
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J F Moderator
Joined: 06 Jan 2005 Posts: 368
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Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 5:03 am Post subject: |
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Regarding Emergen-C, there is something in it, and I've tried a few versions including the children's (no alpha lipoic), that does not feel quite right for me. Could be the fructose. Or the fizz. I've found that UltraClear, although more expensive, really seems to resonate well with me, physically. I take one scoop 4 times per day in water and that way get measured doses of nutrients throughout the day. And, since I'm playing an awkward balancing act right now with all that's gone wonky with my body, I need to use the product that resonates best. I still keep Emergen-C in my cupboard. Who knows when I'll be able to use it again or if someone is sick and can use the help it gives during those times.
I am also having some fruits right now per the RN's request. She just makes certain I am taking probiotics, coconut oil and extra Biotin to help alleviate any candida that might like to feed on it. But, this whole thing has got me a bit hypoglycemic for the first time in my life, and so I'm taking in a little extra grapefruit, or some pear, or sometimes a small portion of banana blended in my UltraClear (I didn't even register potassium on my test.... whoopsee!). There's also occaisional mango and kiwi.
I had to give up cranberry juice for now because of the high phenols. I noticed when I drank it, the tightness and congestion in my neck/throat got worse. So, until I get the phenol/sulfur balance back, I gotta refrain. Darnit. And, I was just eyeing a lovely candida safe cherry tart recipe. Drat. LOL
Chickpea, I'll gladly answer your questions in the morning. I've gotta go cook dinner and want to put in a good measured reply regarding cortisol, since my situation is somewhat unique and I did ask the RN LOTS of questions about it when she suggested it. |
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J F Moderator
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Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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Chickpea, I had to laugh when I read that Northern European people are most susceptible to this. I'm Scottish, English and Norwegian. I am also part Cherokee Indian, but you wouldn't know it to look at me. You just don't get much more northern than Norwegian unless you're a bear on a polar cap.
Cortisol is debatable, depending on how you use it. I badgered the RN about this because the downsides to taking cortisol are documented in Andy's book. Basically, what I got back from her is that if your adrenals are really taxed, as all my test results showed they were, taking cortisol is the far lesser of two evils, giving your adrenals a rest, and hopefully some time to heal. I am on a tapered dosage, in descending dosage amounts for 20 days. After the 20 days, we will check to see if my adrenals pick up on their own. If they don't, it means they have had some permanent damage, and then it's a matter of seeing what type of supplementation is necessary and for how long. Some people she's worked with take cortisol for the rest of their lives, but I think it might be in tapers, which is far safer than taking the same amount every day. It's in daily doses over long periods that I think you run into the more common problems with cortisol. What I don't like about it is that it lowers your immunity, but I think I recall asking her about this and being told it's related to longterm daily use. In her experience, those who take it as she prescribes do not get the problems more commonly associated with cortisol use. Many who have really really bad adrenal problems, are very grateful for the relief the cortisol gives. You do have to take it with a full meal, though. That's for sure. It's strong and it's hard on the esophagus/stomach, so load up with plenty of food to keep that from happening.
Cytozyme AD, which she wants me to take, is not cortisol, but all of the other adrenal things save for cortisol. It is used as a supplement to your adrenals and is not contraindicated when taking cortisol. It doesn't interfere or add to the effects of cortisol. It's an adrenal vitamin, basically. At least that is what I was getting from my talk with her. |
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chickpea Busy Bee!
Joined: 03 Jan 2005 Posts: 455 Location: Nottinghamshire, UK
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Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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Hi JF, Wow you are an interesting mix! How lovely to be part Cherokee I have Irish and Welsh ancestory and look quite Irish as I've very dark hair and greenish eyes. So I suppose I'm in the susceptible category too!
Thanks for all that info So you had a saliva taste? I might have one, I've booked an appt with a nutritionist who does all that. I hope she's able to help. It makes sense to take it if you're totally whacked. I hope your adrenals repair. Maybe I'm living in cloud cuckoo land but I believe ANY part of the body can heal, if you still have adrenals in you, there's a chance they will heal
Again, she sounds quite experienced so you're probably in the right hands. Cytozyme AD sounds interesting, I'll look it up.
Let us know how you get on.
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J F Moderator
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Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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Chickpea, I love your signature quote. LOL
The last few weeks I've been saying a lot of, "I'm not dead, yet!" in the context of getting on with good healing living while I'm still here.
I am on Day 2 of the cortisol, and I have to say I noticed right away my mood subtly improved and I had a sense of mental organization that's been severely lacking for some months. I can also see a subtle improvement in my physical energy. I caught myself turning the volume up on the car radio and bouncing in my seat, a former regular habit of mine that has not been present for awhile, as well. I had it back when I first started detoxing back in the Fall, but when I ventured into the wrong supplements for chronic mercury toxicity(chlorella, alpha lipoic, etc.), and especially after I did the DMSA challenge test, that went away. I honestly thought I was gonna die, I was so drained and just wasting away. I'm still mad at my doctor for doing that. I think I mentioned before that I want to kill him, but I've found out that prison kitchens don't serve organic.
I also think I figured out why I was so sensitive to garlic and other mucus inhibiting foods. If my adrenals are taxed, even if not enough to inhibit my mucus production noticeably, but I eat too much garlic, it is too much for them, and I suddenly become very dry. Then my throat and glands swell from the over-drying and I get the lymph and mild choking sensation issues as my body tries to rehydrate so it can continue to detox. Just a theory, and I'll wait and see what goes away as I start on the Cytozyme and continue the cortisol taper. But, there are a lot of food sensitivities that come and go, and I think it has to do not with allergies but with imbalances caused by the mercury. As I get balance back in my minerals and organs, I suspect my sensitivities will disappear. Some have backed off just this week, already. The body is an amazingly complex thing. |
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chickpea Busy Bee!
Joined: 03 Jan 2005 Posts: 455 Location: Nottinghamshire, UK
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Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2005 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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Hi!
The cortisol sounds really good and it's great you're responding to it.
Yes I get quite sensitive to loud noises, and bright lights too when I'm stressed and it is a great feeling when you can tolerate it
You might not be able to kill your doc but can you sue him?? Did you tell him he's made you quite ill? That makes me soo mad! No you definitely don't want to get banged up in prison lol, I feel so sorry for people in prison being fed crap food!
I know what you mean about feeling you were dying....I really feel for you. I felt like that when I started on the noni juice in January. I'm really not sure if it was that or I picked up a nasty flu virus but I had metal taste, excessive saliva etc so I assumed the noni was stirring up the merc. I thought I was dying too, it very scary so I completely empathise. Just think when we're both better, it will feel soooooo great!!! We'll probably appreciate life much much more and cherish every day
It makes sense what you say about the garlic etc. Also its a sulphur food and it's supposed to chelate mercury.
Hope you continue to feel better
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shelley Editor in Chief
Joined: 23 Dec 2004 Posts: 7087 Location: Southern California
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| that's so funny, but I too noticed I was getting better when I start rockin' out in the car! The car is my favorite stereo - I can blast it without bothering my family heheheheh. I love to sing so that's where I do most of my singing. When I'm sick and tired, I'm a very boring driver... |
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J F Moderator
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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 12:50 am Post subject: |
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LOL! Yep, Shelley. My car stereo is my gauge for how I'm feeling, too.  |
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